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1970-2000 Collector Mint Set question and Poll

Should the 1994, 1997 and 1998 SMS coins be included in these sets? DH says no I say yes what about you guys?



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Bill

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09/07/2006

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good arguments can be made on either side of this issue. Being inclusive
    is helpful to those who have collected all the possible coins and being ex-
    clusive is helpful to those who have specialized more. Certainly where there
    are natural dividers these should be followed (there would be no logic in
    having Jeffersons a necessary part of the buffalo set).

    It seems the same can be argued here. Most all the coins in most all the mint
    sets are really just circulation strikes. Most merely represent coins which were
    made to circulate. These are not so much specially made coins for collectors, as
    they are just extremely well made coins made available in addition to those
    made for collectors. There is no way to positively identify the bulk of these as
    definitely being from mint sets or from circulation. Whereas the SMS coins are
    much nearer to proofs and have no corresponding circulating counterpart. These
    coins can be told apart from the circulating versions.

    This could be seen as splitting hairs, but those who have both can register both
    if that is their desire.
    Tempus fugit.
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Basic idea of this set is coins with designs of circulating coins that were not put out through the federal reserve system to circulate and were only available through the mint as a collector product. The sms coins fit this.
    Bill

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  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    What no more comments or reasoning behind your votes?
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • Mint set coins are struck for circulation. Just because the mint packages them up to sell to collectors so they have a chance to get them all in MS condition does not change what they are Coins struck for circulation.

    SMS coins are struck for collectors as collector coins and were never intended to circulate.

    So in my opinion NO
    Bill

    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    But what about these coins?

    1965 to 1967 all 15 SMS coins
    1970D, 1987P, 1987D, and the 1998 matte Kennedys
    1973P, 1973D Ikes
    1976 silver coins (3 coins MS not proof)
    1981-PDS SBAs
    1994, 1997 matte Jeffersons
    1996 W Roosevelts

    All of the above coins were only struck and put in collectors sets. None of them went out through the federal reserve system to circulate. What's the difference?

    Bill

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  • I seperate them in 2 catagories

    Circulation Strikes

    1973P, 1973D Ikes
    1981-PDS SBAs
    1996 W Roosevelts
    1976 silver coins (3 coins MS not proof)

    Non Circulation strikes with specially treated dies or planchets

    1965 to 1967 all 15 SMS coins
    1970D, 1987P, 1987D, and the 1998 matte Kennedys
    1994, 1997 matte Jeffersons

    In my opinion all non circulation strikes should not be included
    Bill

    The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Point of the set is coins with designs of circulating coins only available through the mint and not circulation.

    All of the above coins are in this catagory.
    Bill

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It could be argued the proofs fit the definition also and certainly
    there is little logic in including them.
    Tempus fugit.
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Another key word here is "MINT" set not Proof set.
    Bill

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Another key word here is "MINT" set not Proof set. >>



    There are many other mint sets which aren't included. Sets such as the
    souvenir mint sets and the SBA mint sets. There are numerous mint sets
    which were made for special occasions.

    While the inclusion of the SMS's is open to debate, it's difficult to understand
    why the '68 and '69 sets are omitted. They have far more in common with these
    later dates than any other.
    Tempus fugit.
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    68 and 69???????? I musta missed something please educate me.
    Bill

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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭
    After a little research it looks as though it was I who missed something. Mia culpaimage

    From the wording of the question I had assumed there was a registry set which included
    only regular mint sets from 1970 to 2000. After checking the lists this does not appear to
    be the case.

    Tempus fugit.
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    No problem. See link in my first post to other threads it explains it all.
    Bill

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  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    Sorry Bill, but I don't agree with you on this one. Mint set coins should be coins which were sold in traditional mint sets, the 1998 SMS Kennedy was only sold with the RFK commemorative,thus I don't believe it belongs in a set of mint set coins.
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  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Thats right, coins that are not proof with circulating designs that were only available from the mint. The 1998 SMS Kennedy half and 1994 & 1997 SMS Jeffersons fit this.

    Just like the
    1976 silver coins (3 coins MS not proof)
    1981-PDS SBAs
    1996 W Roosevelts
    2000 millenium Sac

    Also fit this description.

    Keep in mind when I say mint set I do not mean just the yearly sets. Jefferson Coin and Currency and the Millenium Coin and Currency were also mint sets.
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
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