Home U.S. Coin Forum

And number 3

Here is the third one I was expecting. Obviously these people monitor this site as well as RCC.

#3
«1

Comments

  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,149 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Link the site he's referring to... that'll take if off...

    What a low-life piece of crap!
    JK Coin Photography - eBay Consignments | High Quality Photos | LOW Prices | 20% of Consignment Proceeds Go to Pancreatic Cancer Research
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    I did that on the last one. As I have told people, that tactic isn't working with eBay anymore. I got an email from them saying if I did it again, I would get NARU'ed.
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,253 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • I just sent him "nice retaliation" thru EBay (I can't get too colorful thru the system for fear of the EBoot) ~ What is his/it's email address? image
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Eric,

    There is absolutely no doubt that this qualifies for removal.



    << <i>Participating in an eBay transaction with the intent of leaving feedback as part of a campaign to harass one or more members. >>



    From eBay's own list.

    Russ, NCNE
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    At this point Russ, I'm not counting on much help from eBay unless I get an attorney involved. My last group of auctions I had to close early. Here is one of the auction's bid history. I reported this bogus account with bogus contact info to eBay and got this response from eBay this morning:

    Thank you for providing us with the details about this situation
    regarding artifical_toner_coindocphd.


    We are concerned about violations on the site and have thoroughly
    investigated your report. In accordance with our site policies, we have
    found that there is not enough evidence to show that a violation has
    taken place. We understand your concern about this situation, and can
    reopen the investigation if any additional information can be provided.


    As you may know, we are unable to provide specific information regarding
    the result of our investigation to third party members. Please
    understand that this is for the protection of all eBay users.

  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Sent to thesourceforu:

    "Red Devil Website exudes such hatred, reap what you sow, super crappy coins"

    Your feedback has nothing to do with a legitmate auction you bid on and won.

    K6AZ's website has nothing but the truth on it with legal documents to back it up.

    What is your connection with the Hagers and AGC? Or are you afraid to let the world
    know as I see you hide behind private feedback.
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    K6AZ, if you can think of way I can help you on this just let me know! mike
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Sent to eBay's feedback removal thingy:

    This feedback clearly has nothing to do with the auction and should be removed as the bidder clearly only bid to harass the seller by leaving negative feedback.
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
  • MrLeeMrLee Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭
    Dirtbags! Some people will stoop to any low for revenge. Was his (her?) feedback private at the time and can you still leave feedback for this scum?
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    These people aren't very smart. I just got off the phone with a former associate of Alan Hager's, and ran the address by him of where I sent the coin. The address belongs to Clayton Spencer, the current flunkie for AH Collectibles auctions. Lawsuit time.
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,149 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>These people aren't very smart. I just got off the phone with a former associate of Alan Hager's, and ran the address by him of where I sent the coin. The address belongs to Clayton Spencer, the current flunkie for AH Collectibles auctions. Lawsuit time. >>

    Really? You rule if you're gonna sue him!!! image
    JK Coin Photography - eBay Consignments | High Quality Photos | LOW Prices | 20% of Consignment Proceeds Go to Pancreatic Cancer Research
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    He may have to sue to have the neg removed. The below was part of the auto reply I got back from eBay:

    - Third, please note that we cannot remove feedback that is retaliatory, libelous, defamatory, untrue, unwarranted, or otherwise unfair unless we receive documentation for removal from a court of law or certified
    dispute resolution service. eBay provides the Feedback Forum and boards
    as places where users can express their opinions. Opinions cannot be
    censored and remarks will not be investigated for accuracy. Each
    individual member is solely responsible for the opinions placed in the
    Feedback Forum.
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
  • jbstevenjbsteven Posts: 6,178
    hmm that buyer won one of my auctions.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    I wouldn't worry JB, that one was probably to stick it in an ACG slab.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    Yes, this is also a shill operation. Take a look at the ME page, towards the bottom there is even a picture of Clayton Spencer.
  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    man the smell eminateing from this wreeks..

    put it on your page...im sure they monitor it daily

    hahahahah

    I HATE SCUMBAGS
    image

    Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
  • MrLeeMrLee Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭
    image
    He looks good in prison blues.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295


    << <i>man the smell eminateing from this wreeks.. >>



    You got that right. What is so ironic here is they are attempting to destroy my part time business selling honestly graded coins in retaliation for me exposing the fact that they market fraudulently graded garbage. Unfortunately for them, they don't realize that most of my nice coins sell before even having to go on eBay. Ebay is the only place they can sell their garbage. No one was buying from them in Charlotte.
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Isn't it against eBay rules for a seller to bid on their own auctions?
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    Yes it is. The problem here is that he is an employee of Hager's, and has a different address registered. I can almost tell you what eBay's reply will be in regards to the shilling activity. "We can find no evidence".... blah blah blah.
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,975 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Here is the third one I was expecting. Obviously these people monitor this site as well as RCC. #3 >>


    You've got a strong, serious case against this fraudulent feedback. I hope you take the energy that'll be necessary to reach the eventual, positive conclusion. These people are messing with a part of your livelihood and thus messing, indirectly with your family. Feel the rage that'll motivate you to get these scroates off of eBay and out of your life.

    -I've got a couple of ideas if you would like to PM me.

    peacockcoins

  • pontiacinfpontiacinf Posts: 8,915 ✭✭
    K6az im not anyone important but enough of us get together we can pull off anything legaly. I cant tolerate this kinds business practice...their very business and likelihood is at stake due to your website..but the website spews nothing but the truth..hence arnt their anypeople out there but us that see the problem here.

    ARE PEOPLE REALLY THAT BLIND, AND IF SO, MAYBE WE SHOULD JOIN THEM IN THE FIRE.

    hell no i like living by my standards and backing those I believe in.

    YOU CAN'T TAKE IT, NO YOU CANT TAKE THAT AWAY FROM ME....(NIN)
    image

    Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
  • anyone have an email address for AH-Collectables? image
  • MrLeeMrLee Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭
    This is from one of their auctions.

    sales@ahcollect.com
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    I don't think Hager responds to that email. I believe that address also goes to one Clayton Spencer.
  • newsmannewsman Posts: 2,658 ✭✭✭
    Eric:

    You might want to share your information about your "friends" in Florida with the Orlando Sentinel newspaper and/or some of the TV stations down there. EBay fraud is a hot topic right now in the news, especially during sweeps.

    Chuck
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    DAMN! Hate to hear about the slam. Funny how ACG & Hager threaten lawsuits but use practices which could result in a suit against them which might possibly put them out of business.
    You might end up being known as "the man that shut down ACG."

    Yep, like I said in your last negative feedback thread you are starting to look like a seller to avoid if I didn't know you. 5/504 is getting on up there.
    BS or not, that many negatives hurt.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    I don't know Dog, at this point it is backfiring on them. I have sold several coins in the last couple of hours. And I have run across sellers who had a lot of BS negatives, which were clearly easy to see. This last one puts the icing on it, anyone with half a brain can see what is going on.
  • FlashFlash Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭
    K6AZ, are you a member of the ANA? Since this Clayton Spencer person is obviously bidding on your auctions for the intent purpose of negging you, and since this same Clayton Spencer person is the "Head of Sales" for ACG-Accugrade, and since ACG-Accugrade obviously has a beef against you for testifying against them at the ANA hearing, then I think you have a fairly strong case to bring against them in an ANA complaint. If I were you, I would not let this thing go... its the principle of the matter. Good luck!
    Matt
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    I would do that Flash, but the problem is they all dropped out of the ANA after the decision was handed down in Charlotte.
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yo, Adrian!

    Yes, you - Anaconda! Pick up the PM and file an illegal constraint of trade and conspiracy to commit whatever to help a fellow forum member out! Put that degree to good use! image


  • << <i>image
    He looks good in prison blues. >>

    image
  • northcoinnorthcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ebay's anticipated lame excuses (based on their past inaction) for not getting rid of such blatantly off topic feedback is outrageous. Their feedback system needs to be cleaned-up as it invites blackmailers in its present form. (As an ebay stockholder with a five figure dollar investment in the company, I am especially disgusted with such conduct as it is not in the best interest of us shareholders either.)
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    northcoin is 100% correct, Ebay needs a policy change....
    imageBe Bop A Lula!!
    "Senorita HepKitty"
    "I want a real cool Kitty from Hepcat City, to stay in step with me" - Bill Carter
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    How about Alan MoneyLA doing a News Piece on it?
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
  • FlashFlash Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭
    eBay's telephone number: 1-888-749-3229
    Matt
  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I wonder if a buyer with excellent feedback could sue Ebay if they refused to remove a malicious negative remark with no merit? A seller works hard to build a good reputation only to have it drug through the mud by unscrupulous buyers. Seems to me they would have a good case.

    Tyler
  • GaCoinGuyGaCoinGuy Posts: 2,761 ✭✭✭✭
    Hey that picture looks like Bill Gates
    imageimage

  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295


    << <i>I wonder if a buyer with excellent feedback could sue Ebay if they refused to remove a malicious negative remark with no merit? A seller works hard to build a good reputation only to have it drug through the mud by unscrupulous buyers. Seems to me they would have a good case. >>



    Happens all the time. In fact, you don't need to get a court order. Once eBay gets a letter from your attorney threatening legal action, they mysteriously modify their feedback removal policy.

    On ruining a seller's good name, mine has. I don't dare try to sell on eBay now. I am going to run through the five negatives on my feedback starting with the first one left in December 2001:

    #1- Retaliatory negative from a NPB. Bid on and won an 1885-O NGC MS64 Morgan for $35. Never paid.

    #2- Retaliatory negative from a NPB. Bid on and won an 1887-O NGC MS63 Morgan for $75. Never paid.

    #3- Bogus negative placed after asking for and receiving feedback from me. Bought a raw 84-O Morgan MS63 for $24.77.

    #4- Bogus negative placed after asking for and receiving feedback from me. Bought two toned NGC MS63 Morgans, claimed he cracked them out, sent them back to NGC, and that they came back "recolored".

    #5- Bogus negative placed after asking for and receiving feedback from me. Where this came from is pretty obvious from the feedback itself.
  • Wow, I'm having a hard time believing that Clayton Spencer is that STUPID. Does anyone have a direct Email address for Mr. Spencer? Although he may have read this thread already, he needs to be told the jig is up!

    Andy image
    We are finite beings, limited in all our powers, and, hence, our conclusions are not only relative, but they should ever be held subject to correction. Positive assurance is unattainable. The dogmatist is the only one who claims to possess absolute certainty.

    First POTD 9/19/05!!

  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    Yes, he is that stupid. As far as I know, he has not responded to anyone's email. He's too much of a coward.
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Interesting. Everytime I said the negs looked bad you said any idiot could see right through them.
    The only time I ever got ripped off on eBay was from a seller with a few recent negs that I thought were BS negs. But against my better judgement I bid and got my coin so I said yeah yeah he's ok after all so I bid on another coin and that's when I got shanked. Within a month he had picked up about 100 negs and was NARUed.
    That's why I said I avoid low feedback sellers with a run of recent negs. It's too easy to find sellers with 1,000+ good feedbacks and no negs where I don't have to sort through all the bs.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    Dog, this is now the third time you have made this statement in response to what you know for a fact are BS negatives. But, you conveniently neglect to point that out. Yeah, boy if I didn't know the seller and saw this I would think it was a legitimate negative:

    Complaint : Red Devil Website exudes such hatred, reap what you sow, super crappy coins
    Response by k6az - This current employee of ACG bid on my auction soley to post negative feedback.
    Follow-up by thesourceforu - You been attacking ACG for 3 years, what does that have to do with selling junk
  • Eric, Dog has a point... you and I and virtually all the people here know that these are BS Negs, the ACG situation, etc., but there are a far greater number of people that don't, and it's reaching the people you'd never know or reach otherwise that makes eBay a worthwhile sales venue. If one potential new bidder for your coins drops out because he doesn't know the feedback is BS, you're hurt because of it, and, regretfully, I believe the number would be higher than that.

    I also want to comment on your endeavors against ACG. I had heard that the principals all dropped out of the ANA and if that's a fact, it means that we will not have to hear the sound of the AGC ultrasonic welder sealing crap on the ANA Bourse as long as they stay non-members. That in itself is a great boon to both the collecting community and the ANA, and you are to be commended!!! (three cheers while bowing in your direction)!!!
    Will Rossman
    Peak Numismatics
    Monument, CO
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can lead a horse to water................ image

    Listen to what Dog is saying - it IS hurting you. It is affecting your livelyhood. It is costing you sales. You are being damaged economically thru the illegal actions of this individual.

    Get it?????

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Emoji
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file