Is this just a really crappy scan from Heritage or is NGC's CAM policy this loose?

oldcameoproofsguy

Check out the obverse scan of this 1909 proof Barber quarter.

In my book this coin should have never made CAM. Is the NGC this loose or are my standards too high? Or, is Heritage really this bad at scanning coins?

IMO, the scan isn't that bad, it's NGC's standard that lacks.

michael

i bet more cameo in person sight seen
but still a just made it cameo on the obverse


sincerely michael

boz

Heritage is known for many things, photos aren't one of them.

stman

Your sig coin looks much more cam on the obv. Is it so stated on the holder?

CarlWohlforth

It looks pretty weak to me too!

BTW I also saw an image of a Cameo Barber in a PCGS holder with a very weak obverse. The reverse was super frosty, DCAM easily. If I run across it again I'll post a link here.

Dog97

Just ask yourself how the stars can be heavily frosted while the main design element is brilliant. I'll say it's more frosty in person & NGC's policy is not that loose. That's with it not being a mech error, typo or flat out mistake.
Heritage's pictures are really bad and do themselves and the collectors that cosign to them a big disservice.

jonesy

Dog took the Bone right out of my mouth. It's a bad picture. You can't have Cameo stars and non cameo Main Portrait.

Dog97

jonesy if that coin wasn't in a holder I would say it was cleaned, polished, rubbed, etc and that's why the face is dark & dead.
Heritage's pictures are really bad and do themselves and the collectors that cosign to them a big disservice.

Blade

I have had some good experience buying accurately from Heritage's pictures in the past, but in the last couple months the picture quality has gone way downhill. They seemed to have cut way back on resolution and the pics are now very grainy and the lighting is just terrible. I sent them a note yesterday and said I would not bid again because it is basically sight unseen. They responded that they are going to make significant improvements in the near future.

Case in point:
Here is an image of a $10 Indian MS63 I bought a year ago. Excellent image and very true to the coin:
Heritage pic - old

Here is an image of a $2.50 Indian MS65 from yesterday's exclusively internet auction. This should be a killer coin - the image bites:
Heritage pic - recent

I saw many images in the current auction this bad. They better put some resources into this because I won't be bidding on these.

jonesy

I got a 27S Buff from the Long Beach sale that looks much worse than the picture. I'm even thinking Presidential review!!