Player collectors of players from 1988

qmayer

I just came across a few Nolan Ryans from the 1988 Donruss series and noticed that the borders are reversed.



I found out that the borders tell whether the card came from a pack or a factory set. Does PSA distinguish between the 2? Should they?

Justin

mrc32

Are you really going to send in a card from the 1988 Donruss set?

boggs301012

YES . I am going to submitt one myself. Not every one collects players whom the have never had the pleasure of watching there entire careers. Like Mantle or Ruth I grew up with Boggs and followed his entire career and hope to be in NY in 2005.

I will check mine 1988 DR cards when I get home and see I never really noticed befor. I have a few dozen I am sure. Thanks for the info .
I just checked all of mine are non factory except one BC 7 is diffrent.

Wabittwax

Great response Boggs, sometimes the "vintage is king" opinion goes a little crazy on this board sometimes. I was born in 1975 so guys like Mantle, Musial, Williams, etc.. really don't do it for me. My great childhood memories include stuff like Kirk Gibson's home run in the 1988 World Series. I'm sure the old timers are laughing now.

BigKidAtHeart

I think the difference probably comes
from the card's placement on a sheet
and how the sheet is cut. This may be
a "DP" so it may have been in two places
on the sheet, so there may be two different
borders. but I would not think that PSA would
seperate them.

jackstraw

i doubt psa will even bother considering they don't for the 89 upper deck griffey purple hat variation

mikeschmidt

I didn't think that the Purple Hat variation actually existed. Does anyone have one to see? Have any grading companies graded it?


As for the 1988 Donruss Nolan Ryan cards -- I do not think that PSA will distinguish between the two. PSA has some varying degrees of "label-ability" in their grading of cards. For example, to this day, PSA does not mention the advertising backs on any of the T-206 cards, save for the elusive Ty Cobb reverse.

As a more contemporaneous example, I tried to get PSA to differentiate on the 1987 Sportflics cards of Mike Schmidt. I have basically the entire run of cards from 1987 in which he appears graded PSA 9, in both variations. One variation is copyright 1986 on the back, the other is copyright 1987. PSA does not label this way, as I found out. Oh well -- I can still keep the cards and appreciate them within the context of my collection. I think PSA prefers to see a publishing guide recognize and differentiate between the variations before labelling them as such.

MS

RedHeart54

Didn't Donruss do something similar in '87? I seem to remember the reverse of the card was "right side up" in one version, and "upside down" in the other.

qmayer

<< <i>Are you really going to send in a card from the 1988 Donruss set? >>



mrc32-
I have to if I want to finish my Ryan Master Set Of course I'm not going to send in either one in the picture... I just grabbed the first one of each that were in my pile.




<< <i>Didn't Donruss do something similar in '87? I seem to remember the reverse of the card was "right side up" in one version, and "upside down" in the other. >>



Redheart-
You're right. I found out that information too when I asked a similiar question on the Beckett boards.



Another general question. I'm preparing my first Ryan submission, but I'm going to wait for some type of special. Will there ever be any type of special for players like Ryan? I doubt I could get a submission of all Ryans into a "graded commons" special.

mikeschmidt

qmayer:

All Ryan cards post 1981 I think can be submitted in bulk, if you have over 100 examples available.

We've heard rumours of another $5/ special before the year is over -- but patience would be necessary in that case.

qmayer

<< <i>qmayer:

All Ryan cards post 1981 I think can be submitted in bulk, if you have over 100 examples available.

We've heard rumours of another $5/ special before the year is over -- but patience would be necessary in that case. >>



mikeschmidt-
Would the bulk option have to be all of the same card? I could wait for a $5 special, but would it apply to a HOFer like Ryan? What do you do when you submit cards for your Schmidt collection?

-Justin

mikeschmidt

Justin:

Because of an overwhelming number of factors showing up on my medium-term horizon, just yesterday I submitted a bulk modern order of cards to PSA at the $6/ level (because it was bulk). Mainly Schmidt cards, a lot of oddballs, and no, it does not have to be of the same card.

rbeaton

<< <i>I doubt I could get a submission of all Ryans into a "graded commons" special. >>

Perhaps if you listed them as Lynn Ryan cards on the submission form, you could slip it in there at the commons rate.

Robert

brumbach

In 1987 Donruss flipped around the backs of the cards between the factory set cards and those found in packs. I never knew that they switched around the borders for 1988. To my knowledge they did nothing unusual to the 1989 set.

In 1990 the factory set versions had different paint splatters than those found in packs. Sad but true, the spatters from wax packs are the same despite the illusion of random splotches.


For 1991, Donruss changed the stripes and random floaty splotches on the borders between the factory set cards and those found in packs. To my knowledge this was the last year that they indulged in such tomfoolery and frivolity like this...