Don't hate me but...

pbyco · May 31, 2003 10:34AM

I Don't understand why toning is such a prized quality on a coin. Toning to me is pretty, but it shows that the coin was not properly taken care of or protected from the elements that every coin book says is bad. Why is there a premium on these "mistreated" coins? Pretty is one thing, but why reward a damaged coin?

clw54 · May 31, 2003 10:37AM

Makes sense.

Dog97 · May 31, 2003 10:37AM

I think you answered your own ? when you said "Toning to me is pretty."

LucyBop · May 31, 2003 10:37AM

how is a coin that has sat undisturbed for 40 plus years in its original cardboard holder mis-treated? Or a coin that was at the end of a original bank roll?

anoldgoat · May 31, 2003 10:38AM

Why is a blue or yellow diamonds so prized. Just some impurities.

I have a copple of well toned Lincolns i wouldn't trade for red. They're pretty.

pmh1nic · May 31, 2003 10:39AM

pbyco

I hate you....just kidding.

"not taken care of properly"

You have to consider that the type of modern climate control required to prevent/arrest toning didn't exist 100 years ago. Even mint sets from 50 years ago contain cardboard with chemicals that could react with the coins and every home didn't have air conditioning.

Tootawl · May 31, 2003 10:39AM

Even though I agree with you about mistreated coins getting a premium, I don't agree about toning being pretty. To each, his own.

ksteelheader · May 31, 2003 10:43AM

Mistreated, damaged........How do you propose to not not mistreat and damage? I await your proper explanation....Ken

Russ · May 31, 2003 10:49AM

<< <i>I have a copple of well toned Lincolns i wouldn't trade for red. They're pretty. >>

You mean something like this?

Russ, NCNE

Higashiyama · May 31, 2003 10:50AM

The other aspect is "originality". Although there has been a lot of debate on this board over what that term means, for me there is a certain mystique in having a coin that has naturally toned and has otherwise not been tampered with for more than 100 years.

stman · May 31, 2003 10:52AM

You're bored huh?

lclugza · May 31, 2003 10:52AM

I have, and I like, both toned and untoned coins. As you might have guessed, I'll take an untoned coin if I have to pay more for toning, and I'll take a toned coin if an untoned one costs more. I also like to collect both MS and Proofs. I guess for me, I like variety in my coins.

nwcs · May 31, 2003 10:53AM

pbyco, don't hate me but...

Some untoned coins just are plain and ugly. Sure, some are quite attractive, but many have been dipped or doctored to look that way. Why is there such a premium on these "white" coins? Pretty is one thing, but why reward a dipped coin?

airplanenut · May 31, 2003 10:53AM

Some of the best toned morgans were held in vaults by the US government for years... were they mistreated? No, they were just being kept like any other coin...

Jeremy

lclugza · May 31, 2003 10:54AM

But a toned coin might very well not have "original" toning- it could have been cleaned or dipped in the past and then retoned.

ccr · May 31, 2003 11:00AM

I think that`s one of the $64,000 questions in this hobby. I`m not ragging on your questions and don`t suspect anyone has so far. It`s just that I`m not aware of any ways or means to prevent or stop things from eroding. I`m not the smartest guy around but I`m not aware of preventing or stopping it. I think just about the entire field of engineering would like to know the answer to that question.

I agree with Dog97 that you answered your own question. On some, toning is pretty others, ugly.

Higashiyama · May 31, 2003 11:00AM

That's true, although some toned coins are obviously original, some are obviously not, and others are in between.

joeyuk · May 31, 2003 11:05AM

I prefer a white or red coin over a toned one because that is what is original. To me toning is just attractive oxidation. It does not prove original because of artifical toning. Also because a coin is red or white does not mean it was dipped.

ARCO · May 31, 2003 11:07AM

A good looking coin is a good looking coin with color, or scorching white. White coins can be dipped, and colored coins can be AT. You can't really win, except by buying a coin you like.

Tyler

Dog97 · May 31, 2003 11:08AM

One time I saw a dipped coin that was AT...............

stman · May 31, 2003 11:14AM

NCS wouldn't even play with this one. Too ugly I guess.

stman · May 31, 2003 11:19AM

Guess they didn't want to waste their time sending this one to NCS.

anoldgoat · May 31, 2003 11:27AM

<< I have a copple of well toned Lincolns i wouldn't trade for red. They're pretty. >>

>You mean something like this?>

Well, no

oldcameoproofsguy · May 31, 2003 11:28AM

A proof that sat it its proof papers for many years had to have been mistreated. Right?

Tootawl · May 31, 2003 11:28AM

Why would anyone crack open a NGC graded Binion dollar and send it NCS?

ccr · May 31, 2003 11:31AM

<< <i>Guess they didn't want to waste their time sending this one to NCS. >>

I`m glad they didn`t waste their time on this one either. Yep, I own it too and it`s my icon as well.

stman · May 31, 2003 11:32AM

Old cameoproofsguy.... I think you should go ahead and NCS it. So it can look like it was intended to look like for astute collectors. I was gonna but I'm too cheap.

wingedliberty · May 31, 2003 11:39AM

Obviously toning is a natural chemical process that results from metal coming in contact with the elements. Inevidably every coin will tone , its only a matter of time. Be it 10 years or a 1000 years.
As far as aesthetics, well , its subjective. I'll leave it at that.
As far as your thoughts, well , you start of with the premise that a toned coin is "damaged"
I have heard this before from some who describe errors and varieties as " damaged"
Obviously if you have a closed mind to discovery, I will not waste time convincing you otherwise.
My only suggestion is to try to be more open minded.

Brian.

Don't hate me but...

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