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Clever Auction Strategy: Where Do You Sit?

First, for the avoidance of confusion, my question refers to seating location when you actually attend an auction - if you are participating by phone then where you sit becomes significantly less important.

I like to sit as far back in the room as possible, which seems to be the strategy favorded by every other human being on this planet, which results in auction companies renting large ballrooms at major hotels and then setting up 150 chairs in neat rows only to have all the participants cram themselves against the back wall like some kind of ivy.

On the other hand, sitting in the front row can be an effective initimidation strategy, allowing you to raise your hand as soon as a coin you want appears and then keep it raised continuously for 45 minutes for all to see as a signal that you are fully prepared to pay significantly more than the coin is worth (or, in fact, will ever be worth) so theres very little point in bidding against you. Of course that never really works.

Recently I've been seeing more people do the 'roving bid', where you hold your catalog open and then stroll around bidding as you go. This technique allows you to stand behind other bidders when necessary, while allowing you to rocket to the front of the room when appropriate.

Yes, roving definately seems best.




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  • BigEBigE Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭
    You must sit in the back to see if anyone is really bidding against you!-----BigE
    I'm glad I am a Tree
  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,461 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are other much more clever techniques, but I'm not talking......image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose, Cardinal.
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh .... NOT the hawking loogies and garlic maneuver !

    B.O. can be distracting. As can nose blowing or firing a gun.

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  • Actually, my most effective strategy to date was when I had a particular coin I really wanted for my collection that I would have paid twenty grand for. I gave a twenty thousand dollar bid to someone I normally do not do business with. I stayed in the room so that my competition saw me while the coin was going off. When the bidding hit ten thousand I screamed out that these guys were nuts and stormed out of the room. Needless to say, I got the coin for well under my max. This only works once, though, but in this case it paid off handsomely.
    David Schweitz
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,893 ✭✭✭✭✭
    When I saw the "where do you sit" part of this title, I couldn't help but wonder if this discussion was related to this other thread, at first... image

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  • Interesting strategies. With regards to sitting at the front, and holding up your bidder's card for all to see...I have wondered in the past whether this just encourages others to bid against you just for the fun of it. In a recent canadian auction (Torex February 2003), a common 1911 red cent in ms65 condition (NOT a rare condition) went for something like 400% of list price because the guy used this strategy! The very next lot was another coin of the same date and condition (and eye appeal - in my opinion) which sold for a little under trends!

    I personally like to place a bid on the books right before the auction, and then I just jump in if I need to. That way no one knows who they are bidding against. I think that that keeps everyone honest.image
  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    I like to sit about half way back on the outer isle, and also as far away from other people as possible.
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    Bidding at live auctions is a good way to over bid for material.
  • I haven't actually been to a live rare coin auction.......but if i were i suspect the best seat in the house might be on the suitcase (Zero- Halliburton of course!) full of cash some of you other dealers are sometimes known to bring!

    I'd watch it for you......really! image
    The Ex-"Crown Jewel" of my collection! 1915 PF68 (NGC) Barber Half "Eliasberg".

    Once again resides with Legend, the original purchaser "raw" at live Eliasberg auction. Laura and i "love" the same lady!

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  • << <i>Bidding at live auctions is a good way to over bid for material. >>



    Adrian's right, I'm afraid. Something about the buzz of the auction floor that has ordinarily sane people paying $20,000 for $10,000 coins. I admit I've done it myself once or twice.

    Sometimes us fanatical collectors have to have whatever it is being auctioned, so money becomes a non-issue. Obviously dealers are best served to operate a little bit differently.
    Singapore
  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Is there any strategy for eBay Live auction bidding? You know when you can't be there but only get to place your one max bid and then sit back and keep your fingers crossed.
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • NicNic Posts: 3,415 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bidding at live auctions is also a great place to learn. K
  • There is something about being at a live auction that is a thrill. I was at one auction where I wanted an item, and was battling it out with another person. However, he didn't know that he was fighting with my bid (submitted before the auction began) finally he beat my bid, but only by half an increment. He looked so relieved when he finally beat that pesky "mail bid", then all of a sudden I make a bid out of nowhere and get the item. He was choked. Oh well.
    PS at the auctions I attend, mainly Torex auctions, if you take a half increment, you are no longer allowed to bid further! So when I then bid, he couldn't re-enter the fray.image
  • VeepVeep Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭✭
    I prefer to be near the back or all of the way to one side so that I can scan the floor. Its important though to make sure that the auctioneer has a clear sight line to me so that I won't be overlooked.

    "Let me tell ya Bud, you can buy junk anytime!"
  • topstuftopstuf Posts: 14,803 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ever watch an auctioneer get a bidder to bid against HIMSELF?

    I have seen that in store liquidation auctions.

    Amazing.

    Illegal.......but amazing.
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    From reading the replies, I guess the John Pittman system died with him. On certain coins he would (1) stand at the front of the room; (2) assume the "Statue of Liberty" pose, with paddle held high; and (3) face the other bidders!

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭


    << <i>Bidding at live auctions is a good way to over bid for material. >>




    Absolutely Adrian!


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  • I prefer to sit behind the podium.image

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