Question about crossovers

cjlarsen15

Hi I'm new to the forums and I have a question about crossovers from other grading companies holders. Now if they decide that a card will cross over into a PSA holder, is PSA a fault if they damage the card during the breaking out and reholdering phase or would that be the customers fault? I ask this question because I've been tempted to buy cards that are in other holders such as SGC, but I don't want to risk doing it if they are not responsible for the card.

Wayne8348

cjlarsen,

Welcome to the boards! PSA will definitely not take responsibility if a card is damaged when crossing it over. In fact, a year ago they pretty much refused to crack open another slab to do a crossover but now they will only if you write out something stating that you take full responsibility for the card if it is damaged.

Wayne

JeffVN

Wayne I'm not sure that is correct. Although it is not clear from the terms of the service who is responsibvle for damage to a card that PSA cracks open. Cross-over service is defined as:



<< <i>Crossover Service.

Cards graded by other third-party firms may be submitted in their holders for PSA grading. This service is available under the Economy, Regular, Express, Super Express and Walk-Through service levels. PSA will evaluate the card inside the current holder. If PSA deems the card worthy to cross over into the Customer's specified minimum grade, the card will be removed from its holder and placed into a PSA holder.
Customers using the Crossover Service must provide a minimum grade on the submission form. If Customer is willing to accept any PSA grade for the card, "any" should be written in the minimum grade column. >>



Thus PSA pre-grades the card to be a certain number BEFORE it cracks them out of the slab. Its not clear from this language who is responsibe if PSA damages the card when cracking it out of the slab. Assume you send an SGC 96 for crossover to PSA 9 (telling them to not slab anything lower than a 9), PSA believes it is worthy of a PSA 9, then cracks it out of the slab. Duringt he cracking process, the card is gouged by plastic from the slab. PSA damages the card, but was obligated to give it a 9 because of the crossover limit that you put on it. Will PSA give the now PSA 6 quality card a 9 - I hope not, but they should pay for the loss to the PSA 9 quality card.

cjlarsen15

Thanks for your input guys, I'm going to email PSA and ask them about it.

Virtualizard

I would assume (maybe I'm wrong) that PSA has equipment better than a screwdriver, pliers, dremel tool, circular saw, chain saw, pneumatic hammer, minivan (hey, it's been mentioned), etc. that the rest of us do-it-yourselfers use to remove cards from holders. I'd bet that there is as little chance of a card being damaged while cracking it out of a competitor's slab as there is from pulling it out of a card saver - maybe even less.

In any case, I'd never submit a card in another slab anyway. I'll take my chances with the crude methods I have available, and submit the raw card.

JEB.

Wayne8348

JeffVN,

You could be right. I forgot about the new crossover service. Before that I know they wouldn't take responsibility.

Wayne

JeffVN

You're right Wayne. PSA never would even consider breaking a slab before they introduced this new service. what prompted the change I'm not sure - probably some sort of competitive thing because other unnamed services were more than willing to provide a cross-over service. There is still an interesting question posed by the damage issue.