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This is the coin that I bid on, on ebay, for my husband for father's day.
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This is the "actual coin" I received in the mail!

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Welcome to ebay! image
oohhhhh shiny!

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Yep, it is very easy to hide a coins flaws in an image. Sorry you got burned, but welcome to the forums!

    Russ, NCNE
  • ERER Posts: 7,345
    tinyone,
    Welcome! You will learn a lot from the experts ( not me ) here.
    Sorry about the coin.
  • CLASSICSCLASSICS Posts: 1,164 ✭✭


    << <i>This is the coin that I bid on, on ebay, for my husband for father's day.
    image


    This is the "actual coin" I received in the mail!

    image


    Welcome to ebay! image >>

    .....................hi, and welcome ........image.......be careful when buying on ebay, if in doubt, ask here........lots of good people here, with years in the hobby, and a ton of knowledge..........you got that for your dad for fathers day? even though it has a scratch on the face which the seller didnt show in the picture, it was still nice of you to get your dad something special....wish my dad was still here.......he was a great man, and i sure do miss him...........
  • uhhh....what did you pay?


    John


    Enjoy the day.........
  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777
    Velcomin! Sorry about your bad luck. Careful srcrutiny of both images reveals to me that both are the same coin. Bad photos on purpose for the selling of coins is unwarranted.....Ken
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    tinyone, please post a link to the ebay sale or send it to me by private message. I would like to write a note to the seller (I promise to be polite), if you are not opposed.
  • BTW, I'm the husband. I knew it was the same coin as soon as I got it, you just can't see any of the "X" marks in the picture the seller posted. That picture actually makes it look good. There are several nice dings in the rim , a couple of big gouges on each side and no discernible mint luster. If you look at it under a strong light you can even tell it's been wizzed (quite harshly too). Ahh well, live and learn.
    I love Morgans and I've always wanted to be able to carry one around in my pocket as sort of a "lucky coin." Now I've got one I can do that with.
    As far as the auction goes, my wife only paid 13 bucks for it, so it's not the end of the world. She contacted the seller and was told that the seller knew nothing about coins and that she wouldn't take it back. She even claimed she didn't notice the scratches! She advised us to turn around and try to resell it on Ebay to reoup some of our losses. We're avoiding giving her a neg. because we don't want her to get pissed and retaliate.
    Just My 2 Cents,
    Big Mike <><

    Let your roots grow down into him and draw up nourishment from him, so you will grow in faith, strong and vigorous in the truth you were taught. Let your lives overflow with thanksgiving for all that he has done. --Colossians 2:7
  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140
    Even though its a $13 dollar coin, the seller should be negged for not taking the coin back - it shows very poor business practices.

    Frank
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    bigindie - you have a thoughtful wife and hopefully, a lucky coin now, too.
  • Welcome to the Forums tinyone. Sorry about your induction to Ebay. There are alot of underhanded people there. image
    Glenn
  • ksteelheaderksteelheader Posts: 11,777
    image....
    ...
    ....you just can't see any of the "X" marks in the picture the seller posted....I'm sorry, but take another look at the picture. I'm in no way defending the seller, but a little more scrutiny when dealing on e-bay is advised....Ken
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>She advised us to turn around and try to resell it on Ebay to reoup some of our losses. >>



    That alone tells us just what kind of person you dealt with.

    Russ, NCNE
  • tinyone,

    Sorry for the worry on your father's day purchase, truly. I've been through a very similar thing.

    Welcome to the forums! There are lots of people here who are absolutely fantastic, collectors, dealers, dabblers, and all-around smart people.

    (The pod grows some more, again image)
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    What if you left a pos feedback that read:`Excellent job from this seller.The pics were remarkably doctored
    to hide obvious blemishes. Very good job. I,m happy for this seller to have succeeded in mastering the art of deception
    so well.`A++++++++ `

    image
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would threaten to neg her. If she is an active seller, she might take back the coin. If she does not take back the coin, I would neg her. I would even risk my 100% positive feedback to neg her.

    If she negs you, it will be clear from your response to her neg that it was retaliatory, as well as the link to the coin, which should also demonstrate how crummy a seller she is.

    PLEASE. Post a link to the ebay auction.
  • ERER Posts: 7,345
    Cam40, that's a good one!
  • WOW, thanks for all the wonderful responses!

    With a little bit of hesitation......here is the link you have all requested.Linky-Link
    oohhhhh shiny!
  • CoppernicusCoppernicus Posts: 1,764
    Sorry to hear about your experience. Be VERY careful with raw coins on ebay.

    Welcome to the boards!! image

    I see you negged the seller!! His/her first!! Well done - a no return policy seller should be avoided.

    Mike
    Coppernicus

    Lincoln Wheats (1909 - 1958) Basic Set - Always Interested in Upgrading!
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    tinyone and bigindie,

    Are you ok with my sending this to the seller? I am asking for your permission in advance, rather than doing it on my own. I do not want to chance causing you negative feedback unless you give me the ok.:

    Dear seller,

    Perhaps you wont care about this, but, just in case:

    I and others have been in touch with the buyer of your 1890-O silver dollar. We have seen the images you included in your listing, as well as other images that show the large and unsightly obverse scratches.

    Whether or not you intentionally displayed your coin so as to partially hide the scratches,y our images were not accurate and you had a dissatisfied buyer.

    Perhaps you were well within your rights to refuse a return of the coin. However, whatever time, trouble and few dollars you might have saved yourself, have been more than offset by all of the negative publicity you have received for the way you handled this transaction.

    It is my hope that you will treat others more fairly and honorably in the future.

    Sincerely,
    pop1eye
  • CLASSICSCLASSICS Posts: 1,164 ✭✭
    if i happen to see an item, the first thing i do is check the sellers feedback, and to see what is thier return policy....if they have a no return policy........{they dont get my business}........period!....image
  • Mark (and everybody else who has shown support),
    We really appreciate everything you've said and done. At this point we've written the seller and tried to resolve the situation. Only then did we reluctantly give negative feedback. At this point we would rather just let it drop. Luckily we're only out 13 bucks. We believe everything happens for a reason... now we have a $13 dollar reminder to be more careful on Ebay.

    Thanks Again Everybody,
    bigindie & tinyone
    Just My 2 Cents,
    Big Mike <><

    Let your roots grow down into him and draw up nourishment from him, so you will grow in faith, strong and vigorous in the truth you were taught. Let your lives overflow with thanksgiving for all that he has done. --Colossians 2:7
  • CLASSICSCLASSICS Posts: 1,164 ✭✭


    << <i>What if you left a pos feedback that read:`Excellent job from this seller.The pics were remarkably doctored
    to hide obvious blemishes. Very good job. I,m happy for this seller to have succeeded in mastering the art of deception
    so well.`A++++++++ `

    image >>

    ...........cam40..........thats the best one yet!..........iam going to write that down......great!image
  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    First off, Tinyone, welcome to the boards!

    I try to avoid seller whom do not have a return policy in their ads, and I do not bid with sellers whom will not sell to buyers with less than (some number--usually 10) positive feedbacks. I used to by raw coins, and will now buy mostly certified (I do buy an occational raw if I know the seller). After I found myself sending a few coins back because of issues, I started with the certified (mostly but almost only).

    Becarefull alot of the ebay coins are coins that need to sell sight unseen!

    We all need a lesson now and then. Chalk it up to education and move on--It is not worth worrying about.

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>We all need a lesson now and then. >>



    Yep, mine was a harshly cleaned Bust half that looked very good in the auction.

    Russ, NCNE
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    Bummer. The fact that you bought it for a father's day gift is especially irritating.

    On behalf of the decent coin sellers on the planet, i'd be glad to send you $13 if you would PM me your address.

    Welcome to the forums.

    adrian
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The seller "just happened" to note that there was a letter "o" on the back. Supposedly he knows nothing about coins. But enough to know that one little letter on the reverse means something.

    I very much like the nearly $4 postage and insurance to ship a $13 coin. Isn't there a cheaper way? Did the seller spend the full $4 to ship the coin?

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692
    RR said -- "Did the seller spend the full $4 to ship the coin?"

    I certainly wouldn't come to the defense of that seller.

    Having said that i am sure to run the risk of appearing to do so by saying
    that charging any fixed amount for shipping is frequently going to look like the seller is over charging for shipping.

    It's not easy to acurately predict the actual cost of shipping the item (when listing the item), and it seems that it would be reasonable
    assume that the charge for shipping includes things incidental to shipping like packing materials, travel to and from the PO, etc.

    (I never charge for shipping a coin for that very reason....it looks all too often to some buyers like your intentionally gouging them......
    i've read too many negatives....."that jerk charged me 2.25 for shipping and it only cost him 2.15....AVOID HIM - DEATH TO THE SELLER!")

    adrian
  • That sucks but in defense of the seller, it doesn't appear he/she sells many coins.

    As for the buyer...well for $13 you learned a very very important lesson. Don't buy raw unless you see it and you know what you are doing. I wish my mistakes were that cheap!
  • mrdqmrdq Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭


    << <i> Please do not use paypal more than once if you win more than one auction.. >>



    FEE AVOIDANCE TOO.. find a tree.. i've got a big rope









    welcome to the forum by the way image

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  • GATGAT Posts: 3,146
    I have purchased only 3 raw Morgans with the following results.

    1992 advertised as MS63 Returned to seller because of altered surfaces. Recieved promp refund.
    1898 advertised as BU Coin was ATed to cover up surface stripping from dipping. Not worth the
    bother of returning.
    1883O advertised as BU This coin was indeed a BU toned keeper as advertised.

    Moral of my experience: Your rolling the dice when you purchase raw coins on eBay. For myself, there are only 2 sellers I would purchase from.
    USAF vet 1951-59
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    mrdq- Requesting a single payment via PayPal is not fee avoidance, and as a matter of fact, PayPal has a security mechanism that will freeze your account if you get x number of separate payments from the same buyer in x amount of time.

    tinyone- Welcome to the board and if anything, this will be an inexpensive lesson. Never, ever buy a raw coin on eBay without a rock solid return policy. Usually, there are no returns for a reason and this is a prime example.
  • hughesm1hughesm1 Posts: 778 ✭✭
    As has been said here before, if they give you a neg. respond to it and include a hyperlink (preferably to a site that deals with coin grading.) Ebay doesn't tolerate hyperlinks in feedback and tends to remove said feedback (most of the time, but not always.)
    Mark
  • nuckleheadnucklehead Posts: 1,500
    Great offer from Anaconda! That's total class imo.image
    Friends are Gods way of apologizing for your relatives.
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,275 ✭✭✭
    I see you gave them a NEG, good for you, it was deserved.
    "It's far easier to fight for principles, than to live up to them." Adlai Stevenson
  • ccrdragonccrdragon Posts: 2,697
    Welcome to the boards tinyone!

    Bummer of an experience, but I am glad that you stood up and neg'd the twit seller. Any seller who would do that with the picture deserves to get a neg.
    Cecil
    Total Copper Nutcase - African, British Ships, Channel Islands!!!
    'Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup'

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