Diags of this 1803 coin

hughesm1

Unknown denomination

I have asked the seller for the diameter, but I am curious if anyone can read the diags and nail down the denomination and variety from these pix?

If not, you think its fake?

I've tried to match it up to a half, but can't find the variety, and it's not a quarter.

tjkillian

Well, we know it is not a quarter, they did not make any that year.

Tom

Cam40

I think its a Draped Bust ,Heraldic Eagle reverse Half Dime?

Cam40

Or Dime.

If its about 16.5 mm across its a Half Dime, or about 19 mm would be a Dime.

jeffnpcb

Without the dimensions, it looks like a half dollar to me!
32.5 on the half

topstuf

The proportions look dime-ish.

Keyrock

need to get a better scan too

Cam40

obv

rev

Photoshopped only using the brightness and contrast parameters.
Note: Enlarging the pics much more and it looks too distorted with bigger blocks of solid colors.
Whats the word.Pixelated? Artifaccy?

sinin1

It looks REEDED EDGE to me - which would tell me FAKE

cardinal

I've seen this type before -- a total fake of an 1803 dollar.

Here's one up on E-Bay, properly described as a replica, and selling for $5.99 with no bidders:

1803 Dollar Replica

Here's the image of the Replica, for quick comparisons with the unknown denomination coin:


-- Cardinal

JohnsCoins

Looks like a fake to me but I am no expert. Got out my Breen's and looked it up. The nose looks wrong. To round and hooked. I think it looks like the fake pictured in this thread.

John

Cam40

What if it were someone here that has a German bank account and does hes transcations by shipping the fake
to this German bank were its shipped back here to an unsuspecting chump and the Euros are then converted back to US
money here?
The shipping address is a German bank you know.
Just a thought.

hughesm1

Thanks guys...still no response from seller (not surprising after reading the consensus' take.) The old saying if it looks too good to be true, then its no good.

Cam40

Oh Mark I,m sorry.I,m not insinuating your a chump.Dont get me wrong.
If you bid on it and get it it may still check out fine and you got a square deal.

Its just really hard to say from a crummy scan.

hughesm1

I hadn't bid on it, and based on the feedback received here, I won't. I do feel sorry for the sap who gets it.

I learned my lesson two years ago on a gold coin that turned out fake. Since then, I've been quite cautious.

ccrdragon

The coin is definitely reeded and faker than a three dollar bill - somebody's gonna get a nasty surprise on that puppy...

Conder101

Cardinal is right the eBay item matches the fake he posted in his thread. Placement and spacing of Liberty is the same as the 1803. Both coins also apper the have the sme line or "crack" through the top of the date.

Sinin1, Without knowing the diameter of the coin in question you can't use the reeded edge as a reason for it being fake. The half dimes, dimes, and quarters of that era did have reeded edges. If you know that it is half dollar size or larger with a reeded edge then you can declare it to be a fake.

sinin1

I got a response from the seller - my question was ->

Was ist durchmesser?

his response was ->

Durchmesser 38 mm

tjkillian

I received a similar response: <FONT size=2>
Hallo
Die Münze hat einen Durchmesser von 38 mm

Basically it is silver dollar size. Being counterfeit, the auction is way over bid now.

Tom</FONT>

dorkkarl

it's a fake bust dollar. dime a dozen

K S

topstuf

WTB....Fake bust dollars. Paying 10c per 12 coins.
No limit.

hughesm1

Finally I got a response:

Message:
<PRE>Durchmesser 38 mm


But, I see y'all've fragen für verkauferd too.</PRE>