Pictures from the Parsippany Coin Show REMOVED.

MrKelso · May 4, 2003 1:21AM

airplanenut · May 4, 2003 3:30AM

Hmmm... I got some nice cheap world coins from the lady standing in front of the do not smoke sign... I can also see the spot where DaveG scared me to death when I was in my searches and he said hi

airplanenut · May 4, 2003 3:31AM

but that was a while ago... couldn't go today

MrKelso · May 4, 2003 4:11AM

Bustman · May 4, 2003 6:49AM

I wound up going, bought a GORGEOUS 1919D SLQ in MS66. Not full head ( that would be a 30K coin), but as close to full head as you can get without the price tag. Nice color on the peripheries of the obv and rev.
I'll try to attach pics tomorrow. VERY happy!

MacCoin · May 4, 2003 6:53AM

it was a lot bigger the the shows up here in Maine.

airplanenut · May 4, 2003 7:00AM

<< I wound up going, bought a GORGEOUS 1919D SLQ in MS66. Not full head ( that would be a 30K coin), but as close to full head as you can get without the price tag. Nice color on the peripheries of the obv and rev.
I'll try to attach pics tomorrow. VERY happy!

>>

Was that coin from a dealer in the second aisle from the entrance, right side (vantage point of the picture) and close to where MrKelso was? If it was, I saw that coin a while ago, and WOW!

Jeremy

MrKelso · May 4, 2003 7:01AM

airplanenut · May 4, 2003 7:21AM

<< 
That Lady had a lot of proof SAE's today. >>

Lots of peace dollars last time I went.

Bustman · May 4, 2003 8:00AM

Airplanenut,
That would be correct! He has had the coin for 3 months. Someone put a deposit on it 3 months ago, but the buyer never completed the deal. I have asked him about the coin at every show since I first saw it ( its that nice), and told him if the buyer backs out I want it. Today, he finally sold it to me.

Jaredc · May 4, 2003 10:13AM

That still Al Ferrente's table holding court in the extreme foreground?

For only being a 15 minute drive I haven't been to the show in almost in two years.

marcmoish · May 4, 2003 11:11AM

Jared,

yes it is Al, and he's a fixture at every show

MrK
Maybe I should've jumped in, I thought it would be one of those wall to wall shows....shucks!

Marc

njcoincrank · May 4, 2003 11:34AM

Gentlemen,

I try to go to this show every month. It's hit or miss as far as buying goes. Sometimes peanuts, sometimes shells.

I was there this morning at 7am. Lots of peanuts. Had a great show.

Now for my complaint. While anyone can do as they want, I think it is in bad taste to take pictures, ramdon pictures at that, at a coin show. VERY BAD SECURITY RISK. Most of the major shows don't permit it. In this instance, nobody was posing, it was just a photo of innocent people having their picture taken without their permission. Just my opinion.

On another note, look me up at the next Parsippany show. Or see me at the other show in two weeks.

njcoincrank
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Legend · May 4, 2003 11:38AM

I second the motion on what NJC said about images at shows. Its bad enough I'm cranky at shows, but take my picture and see what happens (I know I snarled at a board member who once did it at a Baltimore show)!

For dealers, its a real security issue. You should always ask first.

airplanenut · May 4, 2003 11:47AM

<< Its bad enough I'm cranky at shows, but take my picture and see what happens (I know I snarled at a board member who once did it at a Baltimore show)!

>>

Laura, Cranky? Never! And snappy... that doesn't sound like her... (send brownie points, please!

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JLW · May 4, 2003 12:05PM

<< I second the motion on what NJC said about images at shows. Its bad enough I'm cranky at shows, but take my picture and see what happens (I know I snarled at a board member who once did it at a Baltimore show)!

For dealers, its a real security issue. You should always ask first.

I don't get it, you advertise openly on these boards (and other venues) about things like buying a 1913 Liberty Head Nickel, and then want to be low-key and snap when someone wants your picture to show to their buddies and proudly proclaim some type of association with you. (A fellow board member in this case). Random images pose no security risk in my book, you go to a big show, you think you're not on video? Why not wear a mask and have a sign that says Dealer X? Get a grip.
Joe

Legend · May 4, 2003 12:12PM

One thing you NEVER see-my image.

I don't want to be robbed again. Make comments to me after something tramatic like that has happened to you.

Besides, the 1913 5C travels with very heavy security and NEVER sits at our table. That coins LOVES being imaged!!!!

oreville · May 4, 2003 1:53PM

Hmmm, that gentleman in the red shirt is my local dealer in New York State. I had only seen him yesterday while buying a holed 1818 bust half and 1931 bust dime.

The show was obviously slow enough for him to walk the room, something he does not normally do.

michael · May 4, 2003 4:16PM

wow from the photo i am surprised mostly all middle aged and/or older white men

even the heritage informational video selling your coins at auction also as per the above in the auction rooms and examining the coins! all middle aged and/or older white men!

will this hobby survive? do we need more younger blood? and diversity?

sincerely michael

nwcs · May 4, 2003 9:21PM

<< wow from the photo i am surprised mostly all middle aged and/or older white men

even the heritage informational video selling your coins at auction also as per the above in the auction rooms and examining the coins! all middle aged and/or older white men!

will this hobby survive? do we need more younger blood? and diversity?

sincerely michael >>

Yes, the hobby needs younger blood and diversity. Of course, it would help if some (not to mention any people I've run across over the last year) would not ridicule the collecting interests of newbies. Especially if their interests run to state quarters and other moderns. But instead to encourage them, show them cool stuff, and allow them to discover the world of coinage on their own.

ms70 · May 4, 2003 9:23PM

What does diversity have to do with coin collecting?

Mark · May 4, 2003 10:00PM

I think diversity per se has nothing to do with coin collecting. But diversity can help increase the number of collectors, which has a lot to do with coin collecting. Imagine the number of additional collectors if the fraction of women and "people of color" (Gad, I HATE that PC phrase, but it's appropriate here) that collected coins was the same as the fraction of white males that collects.

Also, I did not see the offending pictures at the start of this thread. But, I have a few thoughts:
1) I have seen plenty of pictures of coin shows in the numismatic trade publications, eg, Coinage, Coin World. and so forth.
2) If I were a crook, I doubt I'd cruise the PCGS boards looking for pictures of coin dealers. I'd more likely go to coin shows and see the major dealers in person.

So, while I can understand the very important desire for security, I think major complaining about posting of pictures here is somewhat misguided. Of course, if anyone posted my picture at the start of a thread, everyone else who had a picture posted would be safe because after seeing my picture, all viewers would immediately shut down their computers and go into a dark room to try to forget....

Mark

GaCoinGuy · May 4, 2003 11:56PM

I don't get it, were the pictures close-ups of individual dealers pointing out 5 figure coins? Did they have captions under them saying "This is Laura from Legend holding up a $25k Lincoln cent"? In my opinion, most of the big name dealers here have already provided plenty of crucial information on the boards that if a serious crook wanted too, he could get every one of you. Most of us, myself included, have posted our first and last names here, in PM or in a post. Combine that with someone who knows where to go to find out what they need to know and you have a problem. If the pics were just random, distant shots, I don't see the problem....me personally, I couldn't tell Laura from Marge Simpson in a photo. I've met Wayne Herndon a couple of times, but still don't think I could pick him out of a random pic that he just happened to be in. You guys are worried about security, you should think about when you come on here telling the entire world that you just bought $100k worth of rare coins. Talk about advertising for a thief to rip you off.

But these are just my opinions.......maybe I'm just too little in the world of numismatics to understand.

TheNumish · May 5, 2003 1:21AM

For a real thief coin dealers at coin shows are just big fat chickens ready to be plucked. There are countless ways to get robbed. It amazes me that not more dealers get held up.

That said I don't think having your picture appear on a Collectors Universe thread is any risk. I seriously doubt anyone looking for ways to rob coin dealers is on here reading every thread looking for ideas. I think you guys are paranoid.

I took pictures at the Texas Garland Show and put them up here with no problem. I did ask permission from a few people and it was no big deal.

kieferscoins · May 5, 2003 1:25AM

No one complains when the ANA posts pages full of Photos from their summer seminar (ones with full photos of some of the same people that want it removed) and convention photos dating back to 2001. Lets not have a double standard.

Cameron Kiefer

Bustman · May 5, 2003 1:26AM

How about the fact that any collectors pictured in the photograph might not want to have their faces seen.
As a collector, I go through great lengths to keep myself, my family & my collection secure. I don't tell a lot of people about what I do, I don't have materials sent to my home, etc....and I certainly would not want a picture of myself at a show posted anywhere.

prooflike · May 5, 2003 1:32AM

I have removed the pictures because some dealers did not feel safe and think it is a security risk.


I'm curious if dealers who have retail stores wear masks or bags over their heads for optimum security.

Not trying to make a mockery of this issue but if some feel having an internet picture of a show is a security risk, how do you maintain identity security at retail stores?

Ironically, at the show, how did you maintain your identity security for people that may have been staking it out??

The issue seems like a big load of ...

oreville · May 5, 2003 2:07AM

I think that Laura's concern about pictures at a small local show is quite appropriate.

If you were speaking of pictures at a major auction, an ANA educational seminar or possibly some other large national show in which the dealer does not personally carry his/her inventory around then Laura would probably feel differently. Not as much of a security risk involved.

But lets face is some people say tomato others say tomahto!!!

Some dealers tout their pictures on their web sites most don't. Some collectors tout their pictures on the internet, MOST don 't including myself. Again it is a camera shy privacy sort of thing.

Double standard? Not at all.

I have lots of pics of Laura and George but only at auctions not at coin shows. There is a big difference. They are merely for my private collection for my scrapbook.

nwcs · May 5, 2003 2:22AM

Aside from the issue of whether it is appropriate or safe, if you're in a public area anyone can take a picture or video of you without your permission and do whatever they want with it (within reason, of course). That said, I would tend to not like having my pic taken for privacy reasons without being asked.

Neil

MadMonk · May 5, 2003 3:05AM

I'm going to have to be sympathetic to the dealers not wanting an image of themselves floating around. It's just too darn scary. I endeavor to always have respect for an individuals comfort zone.

braddick · May 5, 2003 3:14AM

Lame.
Unless you're ID'd with the photo what is the risk?

Even then, how many photos are run in National publications like Numismatic News and Coin World capturing photos of Dealers (and in many cases identifying them)?

Many are even featured in their advertisements and display ads running in the trades or on their websites.

The photo here posed no real risk, only imaginary, but I suppose in this day and age that's enough to get it removed from a chat board.

VonZipper · May 5, 2003 3:25AM

To make everyone happy, these events are going to have to not allow camera's at the door like at a concert.

K6AZ · May 5, 2003 3:45AM

I have read some ridiculous things here over the last couple of years, but this takes the cake. One of the dealers who posted to this thread has had their picture in at least three publications recently that I am aware of, along with identifying that dealer.

If you are going to be targeted by one of these professional thieves, it's not going to make any difference whether or not your image is posted here in an overview of a show.

pontiacinf · May 5, 2003 3:56AM

I can attest to what happens to anyone sneaking up on Miss Sperber and taking her pic

Conder101 · May 5, 2003 6:22AM

<< even the heritage informational video selling your coins at auction also as per the above in the auction rooms and examining the coins! all middle aged and/or older white men!

will this hobby survive? do we need more younger blood? and diversity? >>

I think it will survive and I', not sure it needs special efforts to recruit "younger blood". When I started collecting over 30 years ago it was all middle aged and/or older white men, today it is all middle aged and/or older white men, and my bet will be that in 30 years it will still be middle aged and/or older white men. I have nothing against diversity but it can't be forced and neither can the interest in coins. All you can do is expose people and if it doesn't take root you can't MAKE them interested (In fact you'll actually drive them away.) but if the latent interest is there the exposure will be enough and they won't be able to stay away. I don't know why it seems to affect white males almost exclusively

kieferscoins · May 5, 2003 6:29AM

<< If you were speaking of pictures at a major auction, an ANA educational seminar or possibly some other large national show in which the dealer does not personally carry his/her inventory around then Laura would probably feel differently. Not as much of a security risk involved. >>

You would be suprised what they bring to show us at Seminar. Awesome coins and boxes full of them.

Cameron Kiefer

JLW · May 5, 2003 6:31AM

<< Lame.
Unless you're ID'd with the photo what is the risk?

Even then, how many photos are run in National publications like Numismatic News and Coin World capturing photos of Dealers (and in many cases identifying them)?

Many are even featured in their advertisements and display ads running in the trades or on their websites.

The photo here posed no real risk, only imaginary, but I suppose in this day and age that's enough to get it removed from a chat board. >>

Braddick,
My point exactly, people that paranoid should get a regular job. Also, FYI to anyone that cares, I have been robbed AND burglarized in the past, so I DO have a right to speak up on the subject.
Joe

MOrganMuncher · May 7, 2003 7:35AM

Did any one find any thing good at this show ?

DaveG · May 7, 2003 8:11AM

I did.

I picked up a rather nice 1853-O half (NGC-40) with the toning indicative of original surfaces and a sort-of "halo" around the bottom rays that looks like a die break.

airplanenut · May 7, 2003 8:50AM

<< I did.

I picked up a rather nice 1853-O half (NGC-40) with the toning indicative of original surfaces and a sort-of "halo" around the bottom rays that looks like a die break. >>

To GSNA it must go!

ElectricEye · May 7, 2003 2:30PM

<< If you are going to be targeted by one of these professional thieves, it's not going to make any difference whether or not your image is posted here in an overview of a show. >>

True ~ If you ever had your photo taken for a driver's license, there is one photo easily obtained. Ever applied for a "special" license or position, federal or state? Registered to vote? Bought real estate? Married or divorced? Registered an automobile? You would be surprised how easily information is found. Call the right "service" with a name, birthdate, city, and state of a person you want to locate, and if the person being searched for carries a cell phone registered to them, the "service" can give you the person's physical location within several feet. I wouldn't worry too much about a photo, but more about the paper trail.

PS ~ I do tend to hate my picture being taken

K6AZ · May 7, 2003 2:57PM

<< True ~ If you ever had your photo taken for a driver's license, there is one photo easily obtained. Ever applied for a "special" license or position, federal or state? Registered to vote? Bought real estate? Married or divorced? Registered an automobile? You would be surprised how easily information is found. Call the right "service" with a name, birthdate, city, and state of a person you want to locate, and if the person being searched for carries a cell phone registered to them, the "service" can give you the person's physical location within several feet. I wouldn't worry too much about a photo, but more about the paper trail.

PS ~ I do tend to hate my picture being taken >>

You know you're right. This is nothing more than a particular dealer using "security" as a cover for not wanting their picture taken. I don't like mine taken either. But hey, I admit I'm ugly.

Legend · May 7, 2003 6:58PM

You guys can debate this issue all you want. Its up to an individual as to if they want their image brodcast anywhere.

I do NOT want my picture taken period. You do NOT see it on my web site, my ads, or anywhere I can control it (I try my hardest to avoid eventhe coin rags taking my pic). On rare occasions (like in a biz journal) I'll allow my image to be printed-but thats usually away from the field. For me, its all about security.

If people come to our table at a show, I do not feel its important they deal with me. Dealing with ANYONE from my firm is fine. Having no personal pics anywhere causes that to happen.

I have been robbed in the past, I have no desire to be robbed again. When I'm behind a table, for the most part, no one knows who I am (the normal assumption for most females is a secretary or a wife).

If this isn't acceptable, I'm sorry, its the way I want it to be. I feel this thread is for the most part in poor taste. To have other people criticize and question a person's right privacy is ridicuous.

K6AZ · May 7, 2003 7:19PM

<< If this isn't acceptable, I'm sorry, its the way I want it to be. I feel this thread is for the most part in poor taste. To have other people criticize and question a person's right privacy is ridicuous. >>

Laura, if you want privacy then you shouldn't attend public shows. To be totally blunt with you, I think you are overly paranoid on this issue. As I stated way up the thread, if a pro is going to rob you or your firm, he isn't going to need your picture posted here. When you are in public, you have no control over someone taking your picture. And with as big a stink as you have made it here, I wouldn't be surprised if someone is going to make a point of it at the next show.

UncleJoe · May 7, 2003 9:30PM

... now where's that telephoto lens? Is that it on the bookcase? Hey!! is the computer on? Shut that off ....

Joe.

VonZipper · May 7, 2003 9:41PM

Sounds like some people could use a bodyguard. Come on, hire someone and help the economy out. Until the laws change if your in public then your picture can be taken, I could understand if someone was giving out your personal address.

ANACONDA · May 14, 2003 9:21AM

"will this hobby survive? do we need more younger blood? and diversity?"

A few less collectors and coins would get cheaper for the rest of us. Not a bad outcome.

adrian

coinguy1 · May 14, 2003 10:03AM

Regardless of whatever laws might (or might not) apply and whether some question if there is a security risk involved, why not respect the privacy of those who prefer it?

I personally knew at least two coin dealers who were murdered (for their coins). And, I know of others who suffered the same fate. Please be respectful of dealers or collectors who have security concerns, whether you think their fears are well founded or not.

I will post this to the other thread(s) on this subject.

Blackhawk · May 14, 2003 10:24AM

As far as bringing more young/diverse collectors into the hobby...It's all up to us. If we're content to look at the hobby as only a business venture and have no time or resources to devote to younger collectors, then indeed interest will decline. Unlike the comments about liking the fact that we could have more coins and less collectors, many on this board make at least part of their living from the sales of coins and related materials. By actually getting down and dirty and spending our time with beginning collectors, we will increase the market for coins as well as pass our knowledge on to the next generation.

I highly doubt that most would be happy with half as many collectors and coins selling at 30% of their current price...especially those who have large investments in high end merchandise. By doing a little legwork (yes, this will involve patient conversation with the young and those just starting out), we can bring the numbers of those interested in numismatics up to former levels.

Bill

MrKelso · May 14, 2003 6:57PM

Pictures from the Parsippany Coin Show REMOVED.

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