Would you buy an "unopened" proof set from this seller?

Russ

1964 "unopened" proof set.

Particularly after having a look at what he sells in his eBay store?

Russ, NCNE

MrLee

Do they come with glue sticks?

BigE

E-mail him and ask if he would include a new envelope with the 64 set so you can re-seal it after looking at it------------------BigE

Russ

<< <i>E-mail him and ask if he would include a new envelope with the 64 set >>



Actually, I already have some.

Russ, NCNE

ClausUrch

Too Funny!!!!! How many advertised "unopened sets" offered by anyone do you think are actually unopened? 10%??? 25%????50%??? Unless they, in fact, were purchased from the Mint by the original owner, who is to know?

ClarkOfKent

rd5425

I would have no problem buying this proof set because it is in an original envelope, the newly produced envelopes are fairly easy to tell, the zipcode is listed mearly as 30, where on the real envelopes the zipcode is 19130, the auction he is selling the envelopes for has 30 which means they are fake but the proof set has the zip of 19130 which means its real.

tompkins

<< <i>the zipcode is listed mearly as 30 >>

Clearly spoken by a youngster!! When I was a teenager (in the early 60's) my address was Los Angeles 24, CA, which, sometime in the 60's became Los Angeles, CA 90024 (and there was a long phase-in period of zipcodes where both addresses were acceptable). While it is curious to see 1964 envelopes with both addresses on them, without remembering the exact dates of the Zip code phase in, I wouldn't be quite so quick to deem one of those legitimate and the other a forgery!!

Pete

Russ

<< <i>fake but the proof set has the zip of 19130 which means its real. >>



Sorry to break it to you, but they also make reprints of the 1964 envelopes with the zip code. Not to mention the fact that the government sold off many thousands of unused original ones to private individuals.

Russ, NCNE

wayneherndon

Zip codes were introduced in 1964 I believe. When Russ revisits this post I'm sure he'll post his research on this issue.

WH

edited to add: see how quick he is--he even beat me posting his research.

rd5425

I stand corrected

DCAMFranklin

I have bought and will continue to buy unopened shipping boxes of proof sets. However, I would never buy an "unopened" proof set from this seller or anyother seller.

If you feel you must, then buy from a quality professional such as Val Webb, Ebay ID- Webbulator. They will be true unopened proof sets.

Though you should not kid yourself. The buyers of the extremely large quantities of proof sets will systematically search the sets by pulling every 4th or 5th proof set and opening it. If it shows nothing of unusual value (Cameo, DDO, small date etc.) then they pull the set 4 sets down. If they find something good, then they pull the proof set on both sides and check for additional goodies. The odds are really working against you before you even start.

doops

<< <i>1964 "unopened" proof set.

Particularly after having a look at what he sells in his eBay store?

Russ, NCNE >>


YES, THOSE ARE INDEED THE MODERN REPROS THAT HAVE BEEN BEING PRODUCED SINCE LIKE 1988 FROM AN UNNAMED CO OUT OF OHIO. UNNAMED BECAUSE THERE ARE ABOUT 3 MAJOR CAMEO PLAYERS WHO HAVE BEEN DEFRAUDING CUSTOMERS LEFT AND RIGHT TO THE TUNE OF MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF $$ ON EBAY AND BEFORE FOR A DOZEN YEARS WITH REPLIOFORMED AND RESEALED IN THESE EXACT ENVELOPES. SOON (I hope) THERE WILL BE A MAJOR FTC PROBE AND SUBSEQUENT INVESTIGATION WHICH AS OF YET HAS NOT REGULATED THE COIN INDUSTRY ONE IOTA. ICTA WILL BE IN THE FRONT ROW OF THIS CAUSE. UNFORTUNATELY ONE OF THE ONES GOING DOWN IS AN ICTA MEMBER (heh,that'll be political to watch) THESE PEOPLE WILL BE FACING FED-TIME. THEY ARE VERY WELL KNOW CAMEO PEOPLE. >NO< CAMEO DEALER SELLS GENUINELY SEALED SETS, E-V-E-R-Y S-I-N-G-L-E O-N-E O-F T-H-E-M G-E-T L-O-O-K-E-D A-T, then simply resealed IN THE SAME OR IF NEED BE A "REPRO". you can buy those for 22c ea by the thou packs. THESE PEOPLE ALSO QUITE OPENLY BUY PROOF SINGLES BY THE BOOKOODS PRORATA AT ABOUT 60% OF BID TO DO THIS WITH ON FILL-INS. One party in paricular has original mint boxes,cellos,wrappings and the exact cut to fit "punch-out" early box set brown tape with the somewhat irregular end-cuts, all BOUGHT FROM GOVT SURPLUS SALES,also putting these out by the gajillions. THEY'VE ALL BEEN LOOKED AT FOLKS. and most are made up from singles. (they have to be originally hazed or toned coins and swingline staple strips salt water soaked for about 2 or 3 weeks ) as a dealer you have to know your sealed sets source. we now only buy,and pay more for,original 25/50/75/100/250 and the occasionally seen 61,2,3,4 500-pc bulk dealer deals the mint put out that are still in the original metered,mint-wrapped/sealed boxes. on early box sets 50-54 theres only one way to know if it was done by machine or by hand with the surplus materials in the here and now.

DCAMFranklin

ttt

ccrdragon

Not even with your money, Russ....

jonesy

I'd rather jump through a flaming hoop wearing gasoline underwear!!!
Glenn