Another ebay scam in progress

CoinAddict · May 2, 2003 7:33AM

I wander how much this auction is going to make. Obviously the people that are bidding have not been reading the auction description because if they would read the auction it says that all they are getting is the holder and not the coins in it. Obviously someone is not going to get what they are expecting. Link to ebay auction

airplanenut · May 2, 2003 7:37AM

A sucker is born every minute...

Dabigkahuna · May 2, 2003 7:40AM

I read the discription and I am totally confused? First it seems to be just for the holder but further on he starts talking about the Frankies? A very ambigous discription.

Larry
Dabigkahuna

Russ · May 2, 2003 7:44AM

The tipoff is this:

<< All the single Proof coins will follow. >>

Of course, plenty of people won't read it, and the seller knows that.

Russ, NCNE

Dabigkahuna · May 2, 2003 7:56AM

Oh Lucy!!!!

rd5425 · May 2, 2003 8:04AM

This is a very misleading auction, Often times I skim over auctions and if the seller clearly stated that it was just the holder there would be no problem, the problem comes when he talks about the frankies and how clean the surfaces are. This seller knows exactly what he is doing, he did not have to put the frankies in there when he took the pic, and further more, no one cares where the coins came from if hes not selling them, This is plain fraud. And one more thing in his auction title he states 1950-1963 Franklin Halve Unbelievable Gem Pfs He says nothing about a holder, he clearly makes reference to the proofs as if he's selling them.

maddogale · May 2, 2003 8:20AM

Should I go ahead and email the high bidder on this?? or should i just leave it alone?

LucyBop · May 2, 2003 8:24AM

morganbarber · May 2, 2003 8:24AM

I would like to know what his deal is. I don't think that he is charging enough for shipping if, instead of mailing the whole set at once, he is shippping the coins one at a time.

Gino · May 2, 2003 8:32AM

His feedback is 100% positive, but the auction is obviously a scam. Looks like 9 of his past 25 dealings have been with the same high bidder. Coincidence? Gino

DCAMFranklin · May 2, 2003 8:50AM

Only someone with a reading comprehension problem would not understand EXACTLY what is being sold in this auction. The auction description states, "What we are selling here is the capitol plastics Holder.....All the single Proof coins will follow....... Again, just the holder is sold here!!!"

There is no scam here. Can anyone read?? There is no ambiguity here. There is nothing misleading.

Any bidder that doesn't understand what they are bidding on, are true morons.

Gino · May 2, 2003 8:53AM

<< 

There is no scam here. Can anyone read?? There is no ambiguity here. There is nothing misleading.

Any bidder that doesn't understand what they are bidding on, are true morons. >>

Gino · May 2, 2003 8:57AM

Oops,
Maybe scam is a bit harsh, but if no deception was intended on the part of the seller, why would he go into elaborate detail describing the coins if they are not for sale? On second thought, scam is appropriate. Gino

goose3 · May 2, 2003 8:58AM

<< Oops,
Maybe scam is a bit harsh, but if no deception was intended on the part of the seller, why would he go into elaborate detail describing the coins if they are not for sale? On second thought, scam is appropriate. Gino >>

possibly to solicit "under the table" offers to avoid ebay and their ripoff fees.

Dog97 · May 2, 2003 9:10AM

I have no problem understanding what the auction is about because the description tells me that <<<What were selling here is the capitol plastics Holder>>>
Then it tells me again that <<<Again, just the holder is sold here!!!>>>
But then again I'm one of those weirdos that likes to read about what I'm bidding on. I like to know what kind of payment the seller takes and how much he charges for shipping. Hell I even look at their feedback and their ME page.

It's hard to scam a buyer when you take payment through PayPal who will freeze the sellers account at the smallest complaint and who also takes credit cards, from which you can easily do a chargeback.

But yeah, the title is misleading.

DCAMFranklin · May 2, 2003 9:11AM

<< Oops,
Maybe scam is a bit harsh, but if no deception was intended on the part of the seller, why would he go into elaborate detail describing the coins if they are not for sale? On second thought, scam is appropriate. Gino >>

It is called marketing. Anyone with any selling skills would know what was coming. Exactly what HAS happened! Each of the individial coins are now listed in additional auctions. Looking at all those gorgeous proof Franklins, in that holder, would draw substantial interest in the individual coins, or perhaps in the entire set. As Goose3 points out, he may well be hoping for an off-the-auction offer for all the coins and the capitol plastics holder.

Scam would be entirely too harsh and completely inappropriate!

CLASSICS · May 2, 2003 9:11AM

the coins will follow? what coins? wizzed ,buff, dipped, 1/2 cents ,large cents..... lincolns? bu,s proofs? if the coins will follow why doesnt he picture them with the holder? hello, hello...anybody home? hello

DCAMFranklin · May 2, 2003 9:18AM

<< the coins will follow? what coins? wizzed ,buff, dipped, 1/2 cents ,large cents..... lincolns? bu,s proofs? if the coins will follow why doesnt he picture them with the holder? hello, hello...anybody home? hello >>

Well, in your case, it would seem no one is home. Perhaps you should skip to his recent auction listings. They are all there.

ElectricEye · May 2, 2003 9:36AM

multiple complaints regarding ethics on this auction have been filed. it probably won't last long but you know how EBay is about losing a buck or two of their own moolah...

Russ · May 2, 2003 9:44AM

If this seller were not trying to be deceptive, his auction title would read:

Capitol plastics holder for Franklin proof half dollars.

Instead it reads:

1950-1963 Franklin Halve Unbelievable Gem Pfs

It's crystal clear that he's attempting to trick the unwary.

Russ, NCNE

jonesy · May 2, 2003 10:08AM

Lucky for us the HepKitty kept her mouth shut on this one!!
BANN'D!!!

Glenn

LucyBop · May 2, 2003 10:09AM

more jonesy for me!

millennium · May 2, 2003 10:50AM

The fact that he has fooled a lot of pretty smart people here, worries me. That alone causes a red flag. It looks to me that there is a deliberate deception here.

roadrunner · May 2, 2003 10:59AM

I agree with DCAM. The rucous is over nothing. If you can't read then don't bid. Do you think he's pulled this scam 300 times?

I've seen "simplycoins" name around for the past few months in slab gold coin auctions and saw nothing wrong.

roadrunner

kranky · May 2, 2003 11:12AM

I don't care what the feedback is, if somebody titles an auction "Unbelievable Gem Pfs" and shows a picture of a bunch of proof coins, and then only in the fine print do they say it's just the holder, that's an attempt to scam bidders.

I will grant you that the fine print does make it clear only the holder is being sold. So that's all it takes, then? Use any misleading title, show a picture of a bunch of coins, list it in a category of coins (not holders!) and bury the true information in the fine print? And some of you say anyone who falls for it is a "moron"?

Let's have higher standards than that.

CLASSICS · May 2, 2003 11:31AM

<< 

<< the coins will follow? what coins? wizzed ,buff, dipped, 1/2 cents ,large cents..... lincolns? bu,s proofs? if the coins will follow why doesnt he picture them with the holder? hello, hello...anybody home? hello >>

Well, in your case, it would seem no one is home. Perhaps you should skip to his recent auction listings. They are all there.

>>

.........................deepcamfranklin.....are you always this stupid and rude, or just having another one of your mouth flappings.....???????????

LucyBop · May 2, 2003 11:33AM

more CLASSICS for me!

braddick · May 2, 2003 11:35AM

I just bought a CD organizer for $40.00 locally. The box shows a color graphic of the organizer with about a hundred various music CDs it is holding.

In large print, under the title of the product, it states, "CDs NOT INCLUDED".

Wow, some moronski must have complained when he got home and opened the box to only find the CD Organizer without all those 100 music CDs for the Company to feel the need to warn the public what is and what is not included.

I guess the same stupid people read and bid on eBay auctions and complain about them.

CLASSICS · May 2, 2003 11:36AM

<< more CLASSICS for me! >>

...............hi hep kitty........once again you made my day

coinguy1 · May 2, 2003 11:46AM

I just sent the following message to the seller and will let you folks know if I receive a reply:

Dear seller,

I,and at least a few others who have viewed this listing,believe that your auction heading and images are misleading.Unless someone reads further(and,some may not)it appears as if you are including the coins along with the holder.

As your Ebay feedback is excellent, I prefer to give you the benefit of the doubt and will presume that you did not do this intentionally. However,I will await your reply and check to see if you edit/revise your listing information, before I make a final assessment in that regard. How you to choose handle this will go a long way in letting me and others know what type of seller you are.

Sincerely,
pop1eye

Russ · May 2, 2003 11:49AM

All the bids have been cancelled by the seller.

Russ, NCNE

LucyBop · May 2, 2003 11:49AM

hmmm... now there is a good idea and a well written letter... Mark does it again....

CLASSICS · May 2, 2003 12:10PM

hummmmmm .......just as i thought.........as i email him also, several times to inquire just what came with the auction.........no reply from him.......lets see if he relist the auction, and just what comes with it.

Tassa · May 2, 2003 12:30PM

IMO, it does appear that the seller is being intentionally deceptive here. Nothing is mentioned about the holder in the auction title and he includes the following information in the listing:

<< All the Proofs are very clean in regards to surface quality. please take the time to view each one of these franklins/they are Spectacular!!! >>

Sure, he finally states that the holder is all that the winning bidder will be receive, but that could easily be overlooked.
I would not only not bid on this auction I wouldn not purchase a single item from anyone who finds this type of marketing acceptable.

NBSQLGeek · May 2, 2003 12:45PM

Geez hes from my hometown Charlotte too.

Ill go down and give him a swift kick in da nutz.

abuell · May 2, 2003 1:52PM

He's just offering everyone the opportunity to live up to the old adage - Buy the holder before the coin!

foodude · May 2, 2003 1:58PM

Do the screws actually come with the plastic holder, or or do they just come figuratively through the deal?....

Does this mean if I crackout and MS 68 1881-S Morgan, the heap of plastic can be sold for more than the cost of throwing it away, because at one time it was in the presence of a condition rarity coin. Or would I just be cracked for cracking such a coin out.

DCAMFranklin · May 2, 2003 3:30PM

<< I have no problem understanding what the auction is about because the description tells me that <<<What were selling here is the capitol plastics Holder>>>
Then it tells me again that <<<Again, just the holder is sold here!!!>>>
But then again I'm one of those weirdos that likes to read about what I'm bidding on. I like to know what kind of payment the seller takes and how much he charges for shipping. Hell I even look at their feedback and their ME page.

It's hard to scam a buyer when you take payment through PayPal who will freeze the sellers account at the smallest complaint and who also takes credit cards, from which you can easily do a chargeback.

But yeah, the title is misleading. >>

Absolutely Dog97!! Seems some Members have a problem with comprehension and reading skills. It couldn't be any clearer in the auction description. Anyone bidding on auction title alone, deserves what they get. Seems some people are not thorough enough to read the auction description, prior to posting their bid.

Twowood · May 2, 2003 7:16PM

"Again, Just the holder is being sold here"

He couldn't be any more specific than that! If anybody gets stuck,it's their own fault. Twowood

silverandvinyl · May 2, 2003 7:27PM

What he's saying here is,"I am auctioning off the Frankie holder first and then I will auction off the coins one at a time"The title is very mis-leading.I think the auction is geared toward the newbe's.This is where E-Bay should step in but,we all know this will not happen

LucyBop · May 2, 2003 9:24PM

twowood and silverandvinyl, this auction was closed and he relisted, he changed his wording, it wasn't this way before... Its nice though the way twowood puts forth his opinion rather then bash, insult, and call names like other members choose to.

ksteelheader · May 2, 2003 9:26PM

Seems some Members have a problem with comprehension and reading skills.....Yes they do. Maybe you should go back and read it again and sharpen up on YOUR reading skills. Or maybe you are just spouting off as usual, and them wanting to rectify with a smiley face. ........Ken

kranky · May 2, 2003 9:58PM

Adding to my previous comment after further review. I still think the auction is very deceptive, but I could see how it might not be intentional. I notice the auction is in the "Featured" section. Isn't that an extra $20 or so? The holder is nice, but to pay an extra $20 for the auction of a holder?

I wonder if the seller figured it would be clever to pay the fee for the holder auction, figuring it would be almost as effective as paying the fee separately for each coin, but at a cost of almost nothing (per coin). Then he pushes the coins in that auction, hoping people will go look at the separate coin auctions. And since he shows the coins, people who see something specific that intrigues them will be motivated to check it out further.

Considering the guy's perfect feedback, I could accept that possibility.

ldhair · May 2, 2003 10:51PM

My only problem is with the title. Surely no one is defending this part of the listing. DCAM? The body of the auction is very clear. Can't see this fooling anyone.

Dog97 · May 3, 2003 3:47AM

I think Kranky is dead on.
My heart skipped a beat last week when I found this 1997 Premier Silver Proof Set.
I checked the auction and said damn that's an expensive box! Text

DCAMFranklin · May 3, 2003 4:11AM

<< Adding to my previous comment after further review. I still think the auction is very deceptive, but I could see how it might not be intentional. I notice the auction is in the "Featured" section. Isn't that an extra $20 or so? The holder is nice, but to pay an extra $20 for the auction of a holder?

I wonder if the seller figured it would be clever to pay the fee for the holder auction, figuring it would be almost as effective as paying the fee separately for each coin, but at a cost of almost nothing (per coin). Then he pushes the coins in that auction, hoping people will go look at the separate coin auctions. And since he shows the coins, people who see something specific that intrigues them will be motivated to check it out further.

Considering the guy's perfect feedback, I could accept that possibility. >>

An absolutely BRILLIANT marketing move!!!

BRILLIANT!

There was no question of his intent. He could create substantial interest in that fabulous set of proof Franklins by creating the auction for the holder and allowing all those that clicked on the auction to see the collection in it's holder. Then he begins to place the proof Franklins at auction one at a time. I'm quite sure he will do very well with that gorgeous set of toned proof Franklins!

ClausUrch · May 3, 2003 4:13AM

I'll have to agree with DCAM on this one; he hit it right on the head. A very nice way to maximize exposure of his listing(s); either his or his clients.

LucyBop · May 3, 2003 4:19AM

Less ClausUrch for me!

ClarkOfKent · May 3, 2003 4:35AM

Brilliant marketing move? The title of the auction is 1950-1963 Franklin Halve Unbelievable Gem Pfs. That's not marketing, that's an outright LIE. How can anyone see it otherwise? As long as your auction description tells the truth about what's up for sale, it's ok to lie your a$$ of in the title?

That's a crock. And, anyone who thinks this kind of deceitful advertising is brilliant marketing is, in my opinion, a basically deceitful person themself.

JOHNandBEA · May 3, 2003 4:45AM

I believe ebay would call this "Key word spamming".............

John

maddogale · May 3, 2003 4:50AM

Well folks, I emailed the top bidder at the time I posted last, saying

"Just came across this auction, I assume you are aware that the seller is only selling the holder? Just seemed a bit high a price for a holder without coins. If you knew already, then I apologize for bothering you. "

I just got a reply from the bidder:-----Thank you very much, I thought I was bidding on the coins...
Thanks again

seems as if he didn't read real carefully!!!

Another ebay scam in progress

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