I may be getting negative feedback. Anything I can do? UPDATE!

Bustman

I had a 0 feedback buyer stiff me on three items he won from me on eBay. I have contacted him many times, he keeps telling me he does not have the money yet and is working on it. I am tired of waiting ( its been about a month), and he only answers my emails when I threaten to leave him a negative feedback.
Well, today I finally got tired of waiting for this clown to pay me. I have relisted my items, and sent him the negative feedback that he deserves. He will surely leave me a negative feedback in response ( which really stinks because I have 71 sales .....all positive). Is there anything I can do to prevent this? I was thinking of not leaving him negative feedback, but I felt I could not let this jerk get away with it.

jbsteven

respond to his feedback with a web address in the respinse, ebay has to delete the feedback.

russ can verify this, ask him

ursabear

Don't forget to file non-paying bidder alerts on all three auctions, and don't forget to request final value fee reimbursements on them, too.

Dog97

That's cool that you negged him. Too many sellers let deadbeats off the hook because they are too chicken to face the returned neg.
I would want them removed too because thet seller will probably never have any kind of record so what's the point in keeping a neg and making some kind of reply to it?
If he bombs you properly he could really make your record look bad as a seller.

MS68

Bustman- I know that Ebay used to have a rule that a person with a feedback of less than zero could not leave negative feedback for someone else. Has that changed in the last year or so?

Gilbert

Is there anything I can do to prevent this?

Yea. Disenroll from eBay.

Seriusly though, why sweat it? Doesn't everyone look at the negs? I have never simply not bid on something of interest because a neg is there; it's the WHY that influences my decision.

Russ

JB is correct. eBay has a rule against outside links, foul language or personal information being posted in feedback. Their database is constructed in such a way that your response cannot be deleted without deleting his original negative. It would need to be reported to them, though, otherwise they'll never see it.

Russ, NCNE

Cockney

As a buyer I dont worry too much about some negative feedback on a seller. Nothing goes perfectly all the time. The one thing I cant stand is when the response to the neg is rude or abusive....

DCAMFranklin

Stick out your chest and take it like a man. Just a suggestion for the future. As soon as a buyer says they don't have the money now, try and arrange an immediate downpayment. Get them committed with bucks in YOUR hands. Set up some payment arrangement for the remaining balance. Once you have some portion, say 20%, in your hands the buyers tend to become more committed to completing the transaction.

Perhaps, more patience would have been helpful. However, you've made your decision to end the dalay and you have submitted the Negatives. You were strong enough to submit the negative feedback the buyer deserved, IF you feel he was never going to provide payment, so now be strong enough to accept the reprisal you may receive.

You and many Members here want to complain about Ebay and Ebay sellers with negative feedback. Well, welcome to Ebay! Now you are about to find out that you don't control with whom you deal. You can do everything right on Ebay and STILL end up with negative feedback. Next time someone here complains about some seller and their negative feedback, perhaps you won't be so quick to jump into the attack pack.

NoGvmnt

I also have a deadbeat bidder that I have to Neg. He was the high bidder and has refused to even answer Emails or communicate in any way. I've even asked him to simply notify me if he cannot afford to pay-up just so that I can relist the item, he still refuses to reply.

I'm just waiting for the 7-day waiting period before filing the non-paying bidder alert and reimbursement of the final value fees.

If he negs me back I intend to simply leave a response to his neg in my feedback. I believe it is unethical to purposely use a loophole in Ebays' rules that allow someone to delete the entie negative feedback.

And, I'm sorry to have to point this out, but it is the dealers here that are so comfortable with using the loopholes to delete evidence of negative feedback, unfortunately the more things change the more they stay the same.

I'm probably going to St. Louis just to see what some of these dealers look like that have been posting this type of instruction.

Jim

Russ

<< <i>I believe it is unethical to purposely use a loophole in Ebays' rules that allow someone to delete the entie negative feedback. >>



There is nothing "unethical" about doing whatever is necessary to protect one's reputation against lying, deadbeat slimebags. It would only be unethical if the negative was justified and true.

Russ, NCNE

NoGvmnt

"There is nothing "unethical" about doing whatever is necessary to protect one's reputation against lying, deadbeat slimebags."


I never said that there was. What is wrong with simply responding to the neg in the response line in the feedback?

The problem with the loophole is that it can and will be used to delete negative feedback that is warranted, where do you draw the line?

Obviously the dealer network is incapable of policing itself.

Jim

Russ

<< <i>The problem with the loophole is that it can and will be used to delete negative feedback that is warranted >>



That would be unethical. I added that to my post while you were posting.



<< <i>where do you draw the line? >>



Drawing the line is easy. If the negative is warranted, leave it alone and don't try to get it removed.

Russ, NCNE

clackamas

I got negd by a deadbeat as well. I negd him and he negd me back. I did not know the url trick. I just explained in my response that "you stand up against a liar and cheat and this is what you get". I would still do it again.

DCAMFranklin

<< <i>I got negd by a deadbeat as well. I negd him and he negd me back. I did not know the url trick. I just explained in my response that "you stand up against a liar and cheat and this is what you get". I would still do it again. >>




Here, here!!!!

braddick

Here's to eBay changing that programing flaw that allows those who receive a Negative to artifically have it deleted/retracted.
That is what "SqareTrade" has been set up to handle.
Who has met someone who would state, "Yeah, I deserved that Negative. Even though I know of a easy method to remove it, just cuss in your response to the Negative!, I won't as I so well deserved it."?

I used SquareTrade once, successfully, and although the process is somewhat tedious, it is fair to both the seller and buyer.

Bustman

Thanks for everyones response.
I will take my negative like a man if he does retaliate, but that does not make it any less wrong. I have done everything possible to make sure my buyers are happy. Along comes a 0 feeback buyer who screws me buy not paying, and I end up with a negative on a long spottless record. Its not right, but its life!

Dave99B

Isn't there some trick, where you leave negaive feedback on the 89th day after the auction ends, and then hope that the deadbeat doesn't notice it until the next day (after the auction details roll off?). Since the details go away, he has no recourse to neg you.

Anybody ever try this?

Dave

boz

I always look at the negative responses. Some are justified, some are not. If the response is believable, I'll bid anyway, depending on the % of negs to positives. Sometime it can't be helped. This guy deserves it (I'm going through the same thing now, buyer sniped a good bid and still hasn't paid. Been almost a month). Reasonable people, won't let a justified neg deter their bidding. You can tell by the feedback if it was justified and the person (Buyer or Seller) is an @#$@$%.

jbsteven

<< <i>I'm probably going to St. Louis just to see what some of these dealers look like that have been posting this type of instruction >>



table #503 at Central states, young guy in the booth.

braddick

<< <i>Isn't there some trick, where you leave negaive feedback on the 89th day after the auction ends, and then hope that the deadbeat doesn't notice it until the next day (after the auction details roll off?). Since the details go away, he has no recourse to neg you.

Anybody ever try this?

Dave >>



Dave, the "90th" day is not set in stone. eBay "can" take the opportunity to leave feedback away then but it doesn't mean they automatically do. It could go much past that.
One way to check is go back to your feedback and see when the auction is no longer clickable (in blue, but instead the auction number is now black- unclickable). It isn't always the 90th day.

coinslinger

As a seller with over 1000 positives and no negatives, I would suggest the following: File the "non-paying bidder" form first............if he still does not pay, request credit for "the final value fee". By this time if he has not paid, more than likely you're not the only one that he has screwed, and he's been kicked off e-bay. I find this a simple way to avoid name-calling and to get back the fees you were charged for the auction. Lots of name calling and whining in the world of computers and e-mail, not getting involved in it will always benifit you in the long run.

Just my opinion.



Alex Cyphers
E-bay seller name: coin-slinger
E-mail: coinslinger@msn.com
Phone: 303-733-6954 (9am-9pm MST)
coin-slinger ebay auctions

roadrunner

Bustman, I'm about to join you in the ranks of getting our 100% records smudged. In my case it was the sellers. One guy sent me an overhyped NGC coin and went beserk when I wanted to return it.
He immediately threatened me by promising to list my name and address. Well, after 2 months I finally decided to not this jerk get away with this and I neged him. I'm sure he will come back with something bogus.

A 2nd seller overhyped an old holder PCGS saint as being 100% spot free and very PQ. When I got the coin it was ok except that 30% of it was covered in a cloudy white/chalky film like PVC that was not visible due to the angle of the scan. I've tried for 4 weeks now to get the guy to respond to multiple e-mails and letters. Zero response from this jerk. Prior to sending the coin he was "Mr. Communication." Now he's the invisible man. In another week I'm going to neg him. I even noticed that he is bidding on other ebay items but of course has no time to respond to me. I'm sure he will also neg me back with some made up reason.

Two reasons why I'm spending no more time on ebay. Bustman, you have some good auctions and are a pleasure to deal with. Too bad more ebayers couldn't be like you. We can always change our ID's and email addresses!

roadrunner

doops

<< <i>Stick out your chest and take it like a man. Just a suggestion for the future. As soon as a buyer says they don't have the money now, try and arrange an immediate downpayment. Get them committed with bucks in YOUR hands. Set up some payment arrangement for the remaining balance. Once you have some portion, say 20%, in your hands the buyers tend to become more committed to completing the transaction.

Perhaps, more patience would have been helpful. However, you've made your decision to end the dalay and you have submitted the Negatives. You were strong enough to submit the negative feedback the buyer deserved, IF you feel he was never going to provide payment, so now be strong enough to accept the reprisal you may receive.

You and many Members here want to complain about Ebay and Ebay sellers with negative feedback. Well, welcome to Ebay! Now you are about to find out that you don't control with whom you deal. You can do everything right on Ebay and STILL end up with negative feedback. Next time someone here complains about some seller and their negative feedback, perhaps you won't be so quick to jump into the attack pack. >>


you dingledorf diffdoof EAT that load of rambling MUMBO above you rattled out here as it is applicable to you in the worst way possible in the text you refer to it as from BOTH double-standardized perspectives whichever suits your wimpy hypocrytical agenga at the time..nuff said YOU cant handle the truth

oreville

Well in the old days of ebay, I solved that by giving myself not one but TWO NEGATIVE FEEDBACKS TO MYSELF!!

Go check it out!!!! Look up user name oreville on ebay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bustman

My buyer has emailed me and said he has no intention of giving me a retaliatory negative feedback. He says that I have done nothing to warrant it and that he was the one in the wrong! I will believe it when I see it, but so far he has not left any. He seems to be a decent guy, just a bit down on his luck and maybe not using his head!
Prior to sending him his negative feedback I had sent him a very nice, but firm email. I guess it got through to him.

coinguy1

Here is how I got my only negative feedabck in well over over 100 transactions:

I was the winning bidder on two items that I suspected (but was not certain that) the seller did not really have/own - he was a new Ebay user with no previous transactions, listed the coins without reserves, looked suspicious, etc. I asked him more than once for some verification that he owned the coins and he did not respond, so I left negative feedback, in an effort to warn others.

I was careful in my wording so that my comments were still accurate, in the event that I was mistaken about the seller being a scam artist. He then lied in his feedback, saying I did not respond to HIM. Sure enough, two other bidders who were apparently not suspicious like I was, got taken.

I wrote to Ebay to see if I could get the negative feedback removed, under the circumstances and, as Russ had predicted, Ebay refused. I wrote them back and suggested that they re-examine their policy in that regard and did not hear back from them.

The seller, who ended up with a -3 feedback rating, is no longer a registered user.

Tonekiller

<< <i>
I'm probably going to St. Louis just to see what some of these dealers look like that have been posting this type of instruction.

Jim >>



Hello,

I would love to meet you in person NoGvmt, My name is Bryan and I will be at table #604. Stop on by.

TBT

Dog97

NoGvmnt I basically agree about not using the loophole but like coinguy1 says "The seller, who ended up with a -3 feedback rating, is no longer a registered user." I don't seen any need for a seller to have a bad mark from somebody that doesn't exist.

roadrunner that wasn't much of a threat unless the seller was threatening himself because that can get him NARU and certian grounds for feedback removal if he lists your vitals in the feedback remark.