Thought I would post a few Pics & Complain a bit

Lori

Well this was my last submission to ANACS. The first Picture came back as a MS63. I thought it was AT. The second was a proof that I sent in still in the cello and it came back as AT. I am completely puzzled. I left it in the cello so they could see it was not AT. It is the deepest chocolate color on both sides. Just gorgeous. What are your thoughts on this? Should I crack it out and resubmit to PCGS? I also added a few new Jeffersons I have in some proof sets, nicely toned.











Lori

redhott

Hard to tell, maybe they were just trying to find a way to say "not market acceptable" for being too dark due to exposure to heat?? although, since your pix show good design detail, it must not be as dark as some I've seen.

Lori

That picture looks exactly like the coin. It took me a long time and lots of pictures to get the chocolate color to show right. It is a awesome coin for me and it erks me everytime I look at the slab that says AT.

Lori

airplanenut

<< <i>Hard to tell, maybe they were just trying to find a way to say "not market acceptable" for being too dark due to exposure to heat?? although, since your pix show good design detail, it must not be as dark as some I've seen. >>

Redhott has got a point. Although it is in the cello, it could still be cooked to produce an unnatural color. On the other hand, it could be original, and you should call them and ask what the deal is.

Jeremy

Lori

Well it was from an unopened proof set that when you opened it the cello was kind of a mess. A few of the coins were together giving all a nice toning. I did call and was told the graders opinion was it was AT. So I am just sh*t out of luck on that one.

Lori

ElectricEye

I agree, the first one looks potato driven...the 2nd one reminds me of oil rubbed bronze...really neat coin, too bad about the erred holder...I just sent a rainbow toned (mostly iridescent green) 1964 MS Kennedy into PCGS today that was given to me in 1967 (took it out of a plastic case with card insert). Makes me wonder what form it will be in when it returns...body bag or plasticfantastic

Perhaps a discussion in the Q and A section with HRH may get an opinion as to the likelyhood of BB again

K6AZ

Lori, ANACS is very tough on toned coins. I have seen many cases such as yours where they AT'ed coins that were pulled from mint and proof sets. You might want to give it a shot a NGC or PCGS, I have seen many coins where one service bags the coin and the other slabs it. This is the nature of the beast in the slab game. As a matter of fact, I just sent a 1900 Morgan that PCGS bagged as AT to NGC, hopefully they will slab it.

coinguy1

Lori, here's my take on it:

The color looks odd/unusual, even if the coin was in an unopened set.
And, to be fair to all submitters, I think the grading services should grade the coins as if they do not know where the coins came from. In other words, what if the coin you sent had not been in a set? It would possibly/probably be called AT. I don't think it's fair for one submitter to get a coin graded due to circumstances, when another submitter would get a no-grade for the same coin, under different circumstances. I realize it happens, but, it's not really fair.

This takes us back to the concept of "market acceptable" and those decisions are usually made in a vacuum, without awareness (or care) of a coin's history/ pedigree. Yes, some "innocent" coins get convicted with the "guilty" ones and are called AT, but that is preferable to the alternative where lots more of the "guilty" (AT) ones go free and get encapsulated.

In case anyone is getting ready to ask - no, I don't feel the same way about the death penalty.

melikecoins

I had a Franklin like that, I took it out of a sealed proof set.
The tone looks like rust laying on the surface, not evenly spread, more like thousands of spots, dosen't it.
PCGS would never pass it especially out of the cello.
Glen

stman

<< <i>And, to be fair to all submitters, I think the grading services should grade the coins as if they do not know where the coins came from. In other words, what if the coin you sent had not been in a set? It would possibly/probably be called AT. I don't think it's fair for one submitter to get a coin graded due to circumstances, when another submitter would get a no-grade for the same coin, under different circumstances. I realize it happens, but, it's not really fair. >>



Ummmmm.... this is tough for me but I agree with Coinguy1.

coinguy1

<< <i>Ummmmm.... this is tough for me but I agree with Coinguy1 >>



stman, is that really you?

stman

<< <i>stman, is that really you? >>



Not sure let me check.... I don't know, the voices are getting very LOUD in here.

Dog97

Being in Mint cellopane really doesn't mean much because it can be replicated outside of the Mint.

wingedliberty

I no longer give ANACS my business. They have gotten progessively worse in grading and on toned coins in particular. I have found NGC to be the most objective. I love their $11/post 1955 / 5 coin minimum/ 4 week turnaround. They have a customer for life. PCGS is also very good, but more expensive and tougher on toned coins. I don't know what it is at ANACS lately, but they have gotten very messy and inconsistent.

Brian.

Conder101

You also have to consider that when the coin arrived at ANACS it was probably removed from the cello and placed in a flip before it was put in the box and sent on to the graders. So the grader had no way to know that it was still in the original cello. All he has is an unusual colored half in a flip to base his judgement on.

garbageman

We've had enough of your complaining, TYVM.

Russ

Lori,

Here's some consolation for you:

Take a look at this PCGS slabbed proof 1964 Kennedy Marty has up for auction.

PCGS body bagged, for artificial toning, one I submitted that was toned exactly the same.

Russ, NCNE

Rampage

I still think ANACS is a good service. I do not use them for my Moderns (I use PCGS for that ). But, I will always use them for my error coins. Their slabs make for a great display.