Guess the grade - Toned Morgan... GRADE POSTED WITH COMMENTARY

FC57Coins

And tell me why you think the earns your grade if you would - The luster on the coin is there - but it's not as overwhelming as I've seen on some others. Average I'd say.

Russ

AU58. Wear on the hair over the ear.

MS64. It's not wear, it's roll rub.

Russ, NCNE

jbsteven

64

nwcs

I'll guess a high 64 due to the marks around the eye, nose, and chin. Slim chance it was gifted to 65. Very unlikely a 63. Pretty coin.

ccr

This may be a bit harsh but I say a 62. Looks like it has a " ring around the rosey " chatter on both sides.

Dog97

Borderline 63-64.

AtcBob

I'll say MS63

Cam40

Ok I,ll be the disenting voice and say 63.


oops edited to add Dog and Bob beat me to it

FC57Coins

Interesting - yes it is a PCGS MS63 - and it could be a borderline 64 in my opinion, though these days it seems that there is no border. Bytheway - I found it interesting that the coin below graded MS63 at NGC - it gives you a really good perspective on the differences in grading, although it is a CC dollar, and we've all heard the story about CC dollar's getting a 1/2 point edge from most graders - still - it looks pretty beat up for a 63!

Frank

PCGS MS63


NGC MS63

Cam40

huh?

Its now untoned? oops.

sorry just noticed toned is the `85.
BTW Had I known it was a CC I would say 64.

stman

Frank, I'm not sure on your CC Morgan if it's the difference in grading services. I think it's more the change in standards compared to years ago. Years ago you're correct it wouldn't 63. But these days from what I can tell from the image.... It doesn't really have too many marks to not 63. But it would depend how deep they are.

What I can see a few look pretty deep and that would hold it to 62 IMO. Are they pretty deep?

FC57Coins

Stman - on the CC dollar the gouges were major league it was surprising to me that the coin came out with a 63 grade. The 85O coin has very light marks that are barely visible with the naked eye - To me it's definitely a borderline coin.

Frank

stman

Thanks, yeah they look deep just wanted to make sure. See, I even wanted to give your CC Morgan a break.

I have many Gsa cc Morgans... And I'm tough on them though.

K6AZ

Frank- the 84-CC is a 62 that was bumped for being a CC. And I have seen many of the same in PCGS holders as well. Like it or not, both services are giving healthy bumps to CC dollars.

Gilbert

Stman - on the CC dollar the gouges were major league it was surprising to me that the coin came out with a 63 grade. The 85O coin has very light marks that are barely visible with the naked eye - To me it's definitely a borderline coin.

Frank,
My opinion is that the '85-O was limited to 63 because of the less than stellar strike normally seen on "O" mint dollars; notice the limited detail in the hair and central breast feathers, whereas, the '84-CC, with more detail in those same areas is limited based on "hits" to the focal area. Although some probably could call the '84-CC 62, I think other factors (luster, strike, reverse) compensate for its "bagginess," and they both are properly graded.