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Anybody knows about TruGrade Coin Grading service?

I have a coin 1926 Ms66Rd Lincoln graded by TruGrade. To me it does look like a MS66 but do you guys have any comments about this compony?
Thanks,
Andre C
A.Cherkasov

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  • Sorry guys, its 1928!!!!
    A.Cherkasov
  • I've looked at about a dozen Franklins in Trugrade. They all seem to be graded at least 2 points high. The guy who runs the company used to be a grader for ACG..........Nuff said........Ken
  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140
    Like Ken said - they're in the same league as NTC and ACG - nuff said
  • i have seen nothing but good things from them. some grades are on the fence, but i can show you coins from every service that are on the fence. if your happy that is all that matters. they have a website...www.trugradeservice.com
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Their grader is the former ACG grader.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>i have seen nothing but good things from them >>



    Supracoin,

    Of course you're going to say that. You're one of the biggest sellers of their slabs on eBay.

    Russ, NCNE
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Click here for a sample of Supracoin's sales tactics.

    And, gee, look at all those Trugrade slabs!

    I get the feeling that Supracoin isn't an unbiased third party in this debate.

    Russ, NCNE
  • Trugrade is a misnomer. There is nothing true about their grades. Accucrap in another holder..........Ken
  • Ha-Ha Russ good pick off. I was wondering when we'd see people connected with these promoting them here.image
    Merc collector.
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Anybody here without a bias? image
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Supracoin- Welcome to the Forum! I look forward to your continuing participation here. I kind of liked this coin you offered on Ebay.

    LINK

    I'm interested in your opinions and would rather be open-minded about what you have to say about Trugrade.

    Russ let's try and get along with the new Members. They don't have agree with your every statement to receive a little courtesy.
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570

    I bid on two TruGrade slabs - (Just to have the slab, not the coin) and wound up winning them both (about $20 for the pair).

    One had an AT Kennedy 50c and the other was a 2 point overgraded Franklin.
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  • Anybody here without a bias? I was not speaking on a biased basis. I have personally seen this overgraded junk.......My opinion.........Ken
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Ken- I wasn't speaking of you in regard to the bias. What you said was that you had "seen about a dozen Franklins in TruGrade". Now, I haven't seen one, so I am NOT endorsing their grading practices. However, even if I had seen 100 Franklins in their holder, I don't believe that I would blast them based only upon their grading of one series. Twelve, or fewer, coins is simply an inadequate sampling to determine quality.

    I'm not impressed to find that the guy that runs the company used to grade for ACG. However, we all receive our training somewhere. I think many of us have worked for a company in our day job, whose standards were less than perfect, and we would not want our entire professional reputation to be associated with that company. Yes? Perhaps, just perhaps, this fellow hated the atmoshere at ACG, yet used his time there to improve his grading skills. Now, he has created a new 3rd party grading service that we all will have to assess. I'm not sure we can do that with just a 12 coin sampling. Nor can you do that with just one series.

    Let's look at some of the things that have been said about NTC. Russ just blisters them for their grading of Kennedy Halves. I've never seen a Kennedy in their holder, so I couldn't pass judgement. Russ has proven himself to be quite adept at grading Kennedy Halves, so I trust his judgement about their grading of the Kennedy, therefore I have never bought one. I believe it was RGL that bought a SMS Cameo Jefferson in the NTC holder and the thought it would cross as a Cameo and make the grade or perhaps one point less. Well, that's not bad. Pepperdoodles bought a tough date CC DMPL Morgan for 16% above bid and thought PCGS would cross the coin at DMPL and perhaps an upgrade. Well, that's pretty good, too. I've purchased Cameo & DCAM Lincolns, from the '50's, in the NTC holder and have found them to be accurately graded. All of this is still a very small sampling. But at least it is from a number of series.

    Give this thing some time before you blast them. Just my opinion. image
  • Yes, I only looked at the Franklins. The next time I go to the little shop in town I'll have to look at some of the others. I know for sure that he has some Lincolns and Jeffersons. I am pretty confident on my grading skills of Lincolns. I only looked at Franklins because that is my priority at the moment.............Ken
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Here is one of those NTC Kennedy Halves that Russ would call poorly graded:

    1970 DCAM

    That would qualify as a "job" gone bad! image
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    DCAM- I would think that a person extolling the merits of a grading service

    would mention that they also sell a great number of coins from that service.

    Failure to mention such an important item of information, tends to make the entire

    statement suspect of a self serving motive, rather then a personal opinion.
    There once was a place called
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  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Sorry Bear, I couldn't disagree more. The minute I saw the post and his handle, I knew exactly who he was. At least I immediately assumed he was the Ebay seller by the same handle. Evidently, so did Russ. There have been a few threads about TruGrade and/or the seller, one created by me, that have appeared in the recent past. I bet a bunch of people recognized his handle and knew he sells TruGrade coins. Therefore, his need to mention that fact was unnecessary.

    I've seen plenty of dealers, Member here, post comments, pro and con, about PCGS. I haven't seen any of them "mention that they also sell a great number of coins from that service". I don't believe that "Failure to mention such an important item of information, tends to make the entire statement suspect of a self serving motive, rather than a personal opinion." Do you??

    In fact, the reality that Supracoin has ACTUALLY assessed coins and submitted them to TruGrade for grading, gives him a perspective that no one else here has admitted. I give a lot of credibility to someone that has actually utilized a 3rd party grading service. Plenty of people out there just parroting what they hear from others in the hobby, without actually observing the service's work. image
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Show of hands. How many in this thread knew, before I pointed it out, that Supracoin is a purveyor of Trugrade slabs?

    Russ, NCNE
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Actually, I had no idea who supracoin is. I don't read most of those ebay seller threads and I don't scout around ebay enough to know who everyone is.
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭


    << <i>Actually, I had no idea who supracoin is. I don't read most of those ebay seller threads and I don't scout around ebay enough to know who everyone is. >>




    An interesting post from someone that was THE very first Member to respond to this thread

    1967 SMS DCAM

    about one of Supracoin's auctions. Hmmmm........ image


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  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    I said I didn't read most. I didn't say that I never read any. And my posting in that thread was based on the question of a coin. If you asked me yesterday who sold it, I wouldn't have been able to tell you. In any case, I couldn't care less about most of the sellers mentioned. For me to remember all the sellers mentioned on this board would indicate I actually care about them.

    Edited to change assessment to posting in that thread.
  • Show of hands. How many in this thread knew, before I pointed it out, that Supracoin is a purveyor of Trugrade slabs?

    Not I.......Ken
  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    I dont use or buy from E-Bay and had no knowledge who this person was. Also this is a

    new grading service and is not considered of the first tier, by general acceptance, such as

    PCGS, NGC and ANACS. That fact alone , kes it necessary to state the issue and relationship

    in its entirety.I have no problem with anyone stating an appropriate opinion on anything,as long

    as there is a statementon whether the person is a dealer handling graded coins of the company

    or a collector with some personal first hand experience with the company in question.
    There once was a place called
    Camelotimage
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭


    << <i>Show of hands. How many in this thread knew, before I pointed it out, that Supracoin is a purveyor of Trugrade slabs?

    Not I.......Ken >>




    Interesting Ken. You were the 3rd Member to respond to this thread:

    1967 SMS DCAM

    about one of Supracoin's auctions. image


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  • danglendanglen Posts: 1,674 ✭✭✭
    Not I, said the little red hen image
    danglen

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    "Everything I have is for sale except for my wife and my dog....and I'm not sure about one of them."
  • Interesting Ken. You were the 3rd Member to respond to this thread:.....Yes I did and this was my response.........
    I have seen about 2 dozen Trugrade slabs at a shop in town. On the average they are overgraded by at least 2 points. The owner used to be a grader for........are you ready.......ACG....Ken ...Now, where did I say that I know Supracoins?????????
  • NumisEdNumisEd Posts: 1,336
    I don't like their sales tactic either, but even the big guys who are self proclaimed as "reputable" are guilty of unethical sales tactics. For example, when a PNG member cracks an MS-61 bust dime out of a PCGS holder and sends it in 10X or more, only to score on the 10th submission with an MS-63. BAM!!! Instant $5000 mark-up. But in reality, it's still only an MS-61, by way of simple math and averaging of grades.

    PS - I have not been impressed with TruGrade's grading, but I can say the same about ALL of the grading services..............the whole concept is flawed.

    Ed........Mr. Ed to you!
  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭
    Show of hands. How many in this thread knew, before I pointed it out, that Supracoin is a purveyor of Trugrade slabs?

    I didn't know.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • click on the link and be a witness to a beautiful deepcameo special mint set kennedy in a trugrade holder.
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Supracoin- Here is another link for you.

    1967 SMS DCAM

    Did you submit the coin to TruGrade? Do submit to them regularly? What has been your experience with their grading practices? I wish you would provide us with a little information about TruGrade. Very little seems to be known about them. You input would be greatly appreciated. image

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