Set Registry Question.....
Browntoni
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I have been accumulating graded cards of Mike Schmidt and Steve Carlton as I chase the Set Registry master player lists for each. I have now obtained many PSA graded cards of each that are not included on the master list. How do I get them included?
As evidence, te last year a Mike Schmidt card is listed in the Registry is 1990. As all of us Mike Schmidt collectors know, there have been many years since 1990 (including 2003) in which many Mike Schmidt cards have been issued and graded (or are waiting to be graded). When will they appear on the Master List??
As evidence, te last year a Mike Schmidt card is listed in the Registry is 1990. As all of us Mike Schmidt collectors know, there have been many years since 1990 (including 2003) in which many Mike Schmidt cards have been issued and graded (or are waiting to be graded). When will they appear on the Master List??
Always buying high grade Mike Schmidt and Steve Carlton cards!!!
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Joe
AlanAllen, Will Bj add cards to a Team Set such as The All Time Great Boston Celtics Set? I feel a couple of players were left of that set. Like Cedric Maxwell and Tom Chaney. Both players were very important players for those Celtic Championships.
Ed
Joe
I sent BJ an email. When I get her response I will post it.
Ed
What year did Schmidt retire? If its 1990, I believe thats your answer. Only cards during the players career are included in the player sets.
You also need to get mikeschmidt on this thread. I believe that he was instrumental in working out the details with BJ and Joe Orlando the basic and master player sets for his beloved third baseman.
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BTW I think MS will agree playing years only. What card goes in what set can be opinion. 84 tiffany or Regulars only in the registry...I am still undecided on that one. Or the other years such as 1990 Leaf in or out.....1992 Bowman? 1992 Fleer ultra???? OR even 1989 UD If I include the first year because most were milestones in the Hobby, or all years from those issues?
James
JEB.
JEB.
Personally, I think a master set should be just that, and include every card, including post-retirement. I kinda like the idea they have for the PCGS registry, with a larger threshold. For some sets, they will only add an unusual coin once at least 10 have been graded. PSA's threshold is just 1. It would be self-correcting if they raised the threshold to 5 or 10 or something. Anyway, the basic set is there if you want a more limited and relevent set to pursue.
Joe
Browntoni:
If you talk to BJ (who will in turn probably ask Gayle Kean to handle the processing), any Mike Schmidt playing day cards will be included in the PSA Set Registry. BJ can be directly reached at "bj@collectors.com"
Currently, the PSA Set Registry Policy exacted by Joe Orlando and others pretty much says that only a player's playing day cards will be included on the Registry. This applies for all players in all sports -- regardless of when they played, etc. The main reason is because of the overabundance of modern-day cards and the potential to have a never-ending infinite number of possibilities. I am sure most can see that there have been more Mike Schmidt cards produced in the last 10 years than in his entire 18-year career. And more and more cards will be produced every year.
That being said -- I do not think it would be inappropriate to request (if you so desire) a separate Mike Schmidt Registry for his post-playing day cards. There are many collectors who collect modern-produced cards of their sports heroes, and perhaps it is a natural evolution of the Registry. But I think it should be maintained separately. As JEB eluded to -- I have been instrumenal in raising the Master Set Registry for Mike Schmidt from 94 cards to 236 cards. I am equally sure that I will help raise that number to over 300 before the end of Summer.
PSA will only include a card in a set Registry if it has been graded by PSA. There are perhaps a dozen Schmidt cards that PSA has graded that are currently not captured in the Mike Schmidt Player Set Registry. As more oddball issues get graded, more can be included in the Registry. It is no secret that I am sometimes the only foward-thinker (read: FOOL) who is spending $5-$7 a card to get mid-1980s Schmidt oddball cards graded. Many of those oddball examples have a PSA population of one -- the card in my Registry set.
Finally, as to Mike Schmidt's playing days. Schmidt did retire on May 29, 1989. When I first built the original Mike Schmidt Player Registry set -- I included 1990 cards. I still think that this is generally appropriate -- as it precludes the many silly inserts we see today. In fact, it only includes the 1990 Upper Deck #20 commemorative card (all three PSA 10's in the population came from my submission!), the 1990 Topps #662 Turn Back the Clock, the Tiffany Parallel of 1990 Topps #662, and the 1990 Donruss commemorative card. I will probably request the 1990 Baseball WIT be added as soon as my next submission comes back from PSA. At any rate -- I do not think it is necessarily unfair to include these. After all -- the 1989 Fleer Update commemorative card was released in the Fall of 1989 -- months after Schmidt retired. If this card is included, why not the rest of the commemorative cards? I think since the 1990 cards number so few, and it commemorates a great career, why not include them? Just my opinion of course -- but as I have been one of the leaders in building the Schmidt registry, I thank the powers-that-be for sometimes listening to me. As another example, I do not think that PSA had any problem including the 1973 Topps #50 Roberto Clemente card in his player set. Though his situation was obviously tragic, I think what I am trying to say is that including the 1990 cards in the Registry do not violate the "spirit" of the Registry.
As the current version of the Mike Schmidt Master Player Set Registry will probably come close to 400 or more different cards when every possible example has been graded -- I think it is good to cut off the number there. Again -- I am happy to support any separate Registry for modern day cards -- but I think PSA has shied away from that simply because of the huge potential number of cards it could entail.
MS
Well -- I would have to surmise that this probably refers to the assortment of oddball PSA 10 cards that our own King Kellogg got through his submissions. Congratulations on those acquisitions, David.
Thanks for letting me know you got my offer. Please know that I am happy to trade, as well. I am certain that I have at least a few cards that would either be upgrades or additions to your fine collection.
Marc,...didn't come from me.....Mine are still sitting here!
As far as what cards should go into the Registry(s), I think this is why we have 2 seperate Registrys on certain players. A Basic set, which SHOULD include only regular issue cards produced during a players career, and a Master set, which should included ALL cards produced. Isn't this the main reason we all collect certain types of cards??? I can't see PSA refusing to grade cards, (or register them for that matter) just because there are too many.
Great players should have a great number of cards!
My $.02
Larry
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Thanks for the clarification! At least you now know two people to contact when/if you decide to relinquish your gems!
I guess my thinking on the Set Registry can be summarized like this (using Mike Schmidt as an example):
A) Basic Set (41 different "primary" cards from playing days)
C) Master Post-Playing Day Set (Currently could be 150+ cards -- maximum of 1,000s)
Perhaps Mike Schmidt is not the best example for this sort of analysis, but from many of the bigger (read: richer) collectors that I speak with and know, very few of them have any interest in building modern-day graded sets of their vintage star players.
Mickey Mantle:
Current Master Set: 92 cards
Potential Post-Playing Day Set: (Currently could be 500+ cards -- maximum of 1,000s)
Ty Cobb:
Current Master Set: 73 cards
Potential Post-Playing Day Set: (Currently could be 150+ cards -- maximum of 1,000s)
In my case (Rose), however, it's somewhat inconsistent. He retired in 1986, so his 1987 cards should be ok. However, the Rose Basic Set only covers 1963-1986. The strange thing is that the Rose Master Set covers 1963-1989 (thus including his '88 & '89 Topps manager cards, which actually is fine with me). Since I'm mostly interested in the Basic Set, I think his 1987 cards (D/F/T) should be included, especially given their inclusion in the Master Set. Thoughts?
Ok, anal-retentive rant over
Robert
P.S. It's interesting (and perhaps fortunate) that Rose's ban has meant the non-issuance of "modern" Rose cards, so there isn't any current need for a third "Master" set. That could soon change, but for now it's nice to not have to worry about it ...
You know, I never realized that Rose's ban transferred over to baseball cards as well -- but it makes perfect sense as I've seen no modern product of his in any of those insert sets...
Haven't tried with the 1981 Squirt cards yet. I'm not 100% sure, as they were issued in panels -- and have to be removed. I'm also unsure how/if they grade the 1983 Fleer Stickers. Will investigate that in the near future as well. The 1981 Coke cards were issued in packs, if I remember correctly. I have almost a complete Phillies Team set in PSA 8 and PSA 9 -- I love that set.
Perhaps we can petition for a "May Mike Schmidt Month PSA Grading Special". I would be all over that!
JEB.
I think you are on to something. How about a player registry special. 5.00 a card 20 min. Or something like that. I am almost ready to submit again, I need a pick me up after my last weak submission. This one will be half for my registry and the rest cards I want graded that arent in the registry.
How about a special 5.00 per card? And for every PSA 10 you recieve you get a coupon good for one free grade on your next order!! Talk about an incentive.
James
- Collect just the regular issue cards from the players playing years (represented on the registry by the basic player sets)
- Collect all cards from the player from his playing years ( represented on the registry by the master sets)
- Collect all of the player's cards, including new stuff issued after the player's retirement.
- Collect just new stuff of their favorite old time player
I think most player collectors fall into one of the first two catagories, and I think the registry does a fairly good job of representing the goals of these collectors. I think the best way to also try and repesent the goals of collectors who collect the new stuff also is to have a seperate set for cards issued of the player afer he retired. Simply adding the new cards to the existing player sets would be bad because alot of the collectors collecting those master sets are not interested in collecting the new cards and therefor there would not be a set on the registry that represents the goal of many player collectors. I think adding a complete second master set that includes new cards would be two repetitive, and I don't think collectors who collect both the old and new stuff would mind too much having their "set" split into two sets.
I collect Don Mattingly cards, and I would be very against the new cards being added to the master set, because I have no interest in those new cards.
I think this issue gets even more complicated with players like Ruth and Cobb. There are many cards from the 50's, 60's and 70's of these players that many collectors are interested in, by alot of those same collectors are not interested in the brand new stuff.
I think the registry will continue to grow with more sets being added for years to come to further represent the ways people collect graded cards.