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1951 Bowman Mantle SGC 96

This seems odd to me and I wanted to get some feedback from other board members. Right now this card (offered by BMW) is bidding 75K on ebay with time left in the auction...meanwhile a month or so ago Superior put up a PSA 9 of the same card and it didnt even crack 50K...what the heck is going on here, something just doesnt seem right here. Thoughts?

Eric

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  • AlanAllenAlanAllen Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭
    I checked back a few Superior auctions and saw a couple PSA 8's but no 9's. Do you have a link?
    No such details will spoil my plans...
  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭
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  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭

    Since only one has graded SGC 96,
    and SGC 96 = PSA 10, and only one PSA 10 exists,
    one could make the argument that this is one of the top 2 examples of the card in existance.
    Pix of 'My Kids'

    "How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
  • aconteaconte Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭
    I thought Mastro sold a Psa 9 for $100k. I know they sold a bowman rookie mays for 109k.
    MS, do you remember a Mantle 9 selling for 100k?

    Wolfbear,

    Sgc 96 = Psa 9. At least according to the grading scales.

    The card is nice. The bottom line is only a handful of people can spend this kind of money.
    Regardless of whether Psa or Sgc graded it a mint card. The current bidder is the "John
    Branca" of the Sgc world (or I guess as close one can get). He has some nice Sgc graded cards.

    aconte



  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭
    both cards are incredible regardless. they may not sell for more in sgc but they sure do look better.
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  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭

    aconte - you mean Beckett's grading scale ? image

    Pix of 'My Kids'

    "How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
  • Someone should buy it and cross it over to PSA. image

    I bet your palms would get sweaty doing that one!!
  • EOMINTEOMINT Posts: 349
    The Superior auction i am referencing was on ebay...also an sgc 96 = psa 9, not psa 10...bottom line, whoever is buying this card is OVERPAYING BY A MILE...I dont disagree that its a nice card but they could have bot the PSA 9 from Chris for 50K which was also a beauty.

    EO
  • MantlefanMantlefan Posts: 1,079 ✭✭
    I agree with you EO. I remember the EBAY Superior auction about 2 months ago....a beautiful PSA 9 1951 Mantle which did not meet reserve...ending at $49K. $75K for an equivalent card graded by SGC seems too much to me.
    Frank

    Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
  • aconteaconte Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭
    EO,

    Are you positive about the Psa 9 Mantle price? 50k sounds too low.

    Anyhow, nine different bidders bid over 50k on this card. I don't think Koby or waittil was
    one of them...

    aconte
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    Comments:

    1) Only two bidders in over $57,200

    2) The card is a strong MINT card, but it would not be confused for a GEM MINT card. A tiny bit of a tilt, two or three minute print dots. Centering less than perfect. Left corners look sharper than two right corners. Tad bit of a rough cut.

    3) Mantle probably has one of the highest variabilities of prices realized. At certain price levels, only few players are in the game.

    A truly MINT card -- and an interesting auction for sure.

    I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
  • kobykoby Posts: 1,699 ✭✭


    << <i>Anyhow, nine different bidders bid over 50k on this card. I don't think Koby or waittil was
    one of them...

    aconte >>



    That's low, Aconte....making fun of me for my financial state. You are right in that I cannot afford a $75K card at this time, but how many of us can?
  • pcpc Posts: 743
    "Today, the 1951 Bowman Mickey Mantle rookie card is considered one of the hobby's most hallowed pieces of nostalgic ephemera."

    huh?
    7 entries found for ephemera.

    e·phem·er·a
    P

    Pronunciation Key (-fmr-)
    n.

    A plural of ephemeron.




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    e·phem·er·on
    P

    Pronunciation Key (-fm-rn)
    n. pl. e·phem·er·a (-r-) or e·phem·er·ons

    1.A short-lived thing.
    2.ephemera Printed matter of passing interest.



    [Greek ephmeron, mayfly, from neuter of ephmeros, daily, short-lived. See ephemeral.]



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    ephemera

    Ephemeron E*phem"e*ron, n.; pl. Ephemera. [NL. See Ephemera.] (Zo["o]l.) One of the ephemeral
    flies.


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    ephemera

    E*phem"e*ra, n. [NL., fr. Gr. ? a day fly, fr. ? daily, lasting but a day; ? over + ? day.] 1. (Med.) A
    fever of one day's continuance only.

    2. (Zo["o]l.) A genus of insects including the day flies, or ephemeral flies. See Ephemeral fly, under
    Ephemeral.


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    ephemera

    May May, n. [F. Mai, L. Maius; so named in honor of the goddess Maia (Gr. ?), daughter of Atlas
    and mother of Mercury by Jupiter.] 1. The fifth month of the year, containing thirty-one days.
    --Chaucer.

    2. The early part or springtime of life.

    His May of youth, and bloom of lustihood. --Shak.

    3. (Bot.) The flowers of the hawthorn; -- so called from their time of blossoming; also, the hawthorn.

    The palm and may make country houses gay. --Nash.

    Plumes that micked the may. --Tennyson.

    4. The merrymaking of May Day. --Tennyson.

    Italian may (Bot.), a shrubby species of Spir[ae]a (S. hypericifolia) with many clusters of small white
    flowers along the slender branches.

    May apple (Bot.), the fruit of an American plant (Podophyllum peltatum). Also, the plant itself
    (popularly called mandrake), which has two lobed leaves, and bears a single egg-shaped fruit at the
    forking. The root and leaves, used in medicine, are powerfully drastic.

    May beetle, May bug (Zo["o]l.), any one of numerous species of large lamellicorn beetles that appear in
    the winged state in May. They belong to Melolontha, and allied genera. Called also June beetle.

    May Day, the first day of May; -- celebrated in the rustic parts of England by the crowning of a May
    queen with a garland, and by dancing about a May pole.

    May dew, the morning dew of the first day of May, to which magical properties were attributed.

    May flower (Bot.), a plant that flowers in May; also, its blossom. See Mayflower, in the vocabulary.

    May fly (Zo["o]l.), any species of Ephemera, and allied genera; -- so called because the mature flies of
    many species appear in May. See Ephemeral fly, under Ephemeral.

    May game, any May-day sport.

    May lady, the queen or lady of May, in old May games.

    May lily (Bot.), the lily of the valley (Convallaria majalis).

    May pole. See Maypole in the Vocabulary.

    May queen, a girl or young woman crowned queen in the sports of May Day.

    May thorn, the hawthorn.


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    ephemera

    n : something transitory; lasting a day


    Source: WordNet ® 1.6, © 1997 Princeton University


    ephemera

    ephemera: in CancerWEB's On-line Medical Dictionary


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    "Plumes that MICKED the may. --Tennyson."
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  • VarghaVargha Posts: 2,392 ✭✭
    51 Bowman Mays PSA 9 sold for $108,000 in Mastro

    51 Bowman Mantle SBC 98 (with a gurantee of minimum crossover to PSA 8) sold for around $29,000 in Mastro if my memory serves me correctly

    51 Bowman Mantle PSA 9 sold for $66,000 in Mastro.

    51 Bowman Mantle PSA 9 failed to hit reserve on eBay when offered by Chris from Superior. High bid was $49,000. It later was sold in a private sale (no details available).

  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    Vargha:

    <<51 Bowman Mantle SBC 98 (with a gurantee of minimum crossover to PSA 8) sold for around $29,000 in Mastro if my memory serves me correctly

    51 Bowman Mantle PSA 9 sold for $66,000 in Mastro. >>


    If recollection serves me correctly, the two above cards were one and the same. An enterprising person crossed the SBC 98 to PSA 9. It seemed pretty evident from the scans at the time that that is exactly what happened...

    MS
    I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
  • VarghaVargha Posts: 2,392 ✭✭
    I agree with that assessment, Marc.
  • aconteaconte Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭
    koby,

    My comment was about your support for Sgc product.


    MS,

    Two bidders over 57k. But there could of been others interested to go higher until the bidding
    reached 75k.

    aconte
  • In the past I've had two sgc96 cards cross over into Psa 8 holders. I think that the high bidder is overpaying beyond belief. Dennis
  • Guys, let's all look in the mirror and be honest with ourselves. If that card was in a PSA holder the posts here would be that it should have been a 10. Because it's in an SGC holder people pick the card apart. That card is over 50 years old and looks better than any card opened from a pack today. Timing is everything, but on April 6, that card was worth $75,100.
    Forget the holder and let's agree the card was graded accurately, and god bless the guy who has the discretionary income to drop that kind of coin$$ on a card.
    Baseball is my Pastime, Football is my Passion
  • 19541954 Posts: 2,902 ✭✭✭
    Isn't that the truth FabFrank.

    1954
    Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
  • VarghaVargha Posts: 2,392 ✭✭
    Actually Frank, most of the people who posted on this thread don't fall under your blanket assessment.
  • most of the people who posted on this thread don't fall under your blanket assessment

    You're probably right on "this thread" David. I just couldn't believe this gem of a card was being picked apart. Add the fact that some people felt it should be crossed over, others felt the buyer overpaid compared to PSA prices, or that the original post thought
    month or so ago Superior put up a PSA 9 of the same card and it didnt even crack 50K...what the heck is going on here, something just doesnt seem right here.
    I read this as as an inference that PSA prices are always higher than SGC. What happened here?

    I think the history of the seller on this board put a bias against this card. I just looked at the card (regardless of holder or seller) and saw a true rarity.
    Baseball is my Pastime, Football is my Passion
  • ScoopScoop Posts: 168
    Vargha, do you think the SGC 88 is a good buy? What do you think the reserve is? Will centering prohibit it from crossing to a PSA 8? And if it does cross over to a PSA 8, what would increase in value be?
    building 1956 Topps PSA 8/9
  • VarghaVargha Posts: 2,392 ✭✭
    The SGC 88 looks like a solid PSA 8 with a rough cut bottom. My PSA 8 sold for around $15K-$16K less than 6 months ago. It seems like BMW is asking high (as is their standard practice). My belief is that one will likely come along in the next 6-9 months in the $18K or lower range already in a PSA 8 holder. It certainly isn't a population rarity.
  • EOMINTEOMINT Posts: 349
    This isnt about picking apart the card...we all know as well that the naked eye can be misleading, how many times do u send in a card u think looks immaculate and it comes back a 7 or 8, maybe worse...the fact of the matter is that if a PSA 9 cant sell for 50K on ebay, an SGC 96 selling for 75K is HIGHLY SUSPECT...anyone who would pay that price for that card not only has cash to burn, but actually enjoys pouring gasoline on their wallet and watching it go up in flames!

    EO
  • aro13aro13 Posts: 1,961 ✭✭✭
    In the latest Mastro auction "Lot #1691 is a PSA 9 1951 Bowman Mantle. It will be interesting to see what it sells for.
  • I asked this on another thread....

    Who was the under bidder on this card? Does anyone have a clue on him?

    I know the winner has spent a few bucks in the past.
  • jackstrawjackstraw Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭

    please fill me in on what sportscards this guy should have spent his 75,000 bucs on?
    are you guys that loyal to psa?gimme me a break it's a nice card its from a legit grading company its just not psa, so nobody can believe it.
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  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,109 ✭✭✭✭✭
    See the other thread showing the PSA 6 1957 common with a high bid of over $1k as an example where momentary exuberation can lead to a huge spike in the price realized for an auction. If the card were listed next month, it could sell for $50k or $100k. That's the beauty of auctions. If you are a smart buyer or lucky seller, you can "cheat the market" if your timing is right.
  • aconteaconte Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭
    Gemint,

    In my opinion your comparison is not accurate.

    aconte
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