Just how rare do you think Full Torch Roosies are? (Results of a quick search added)

FC57Coins

I'm thinking of going through my box of clad roosies from the 70's and 80's to see if I have some FT coins to send in for grading - Just how tough do you think these are? Are we talking as tough as 5/6 step Jeffersons? I'd like to hear opinions. Also - if anyone has a killer picture of what they think an FT should be it would be nice to see.

Thanks

Frank

PS - I just finished looking through a batch of about 100 roosies - mostly clads from the 60's forward through 2002, and I found a grand total of 8 which MIGHT be considered FT's. I say might, because the bottom bands are there, but they're weak. Of the 8 I found, only 3, a 1962D, a 1972D and a 1984D would seem to be what I consider to be sure bets - the rest are maybe's at best. It'll be interesting to see what this new grade means to Roosie collectors!

LucyBop

They are very tough, and I found that the clads were almost impossible to find. I have searched literally hundreds of coins in the past two weeks, I have purchased unopened rolls... Full Torchies are tough, and I wonder what the 53s fbl of the series will be.....

here is a solid can't miss 51s full torchie!

smprfi

Frank check this out.

FC57Coins

Kewl guys - thanks for the info

wingedliberty

Frank:
Its far too early to tell. As PCGS/NGC standards become more visible, certain dates and mint marks will become tougher than others. This will be a function of the actual criteria that the grading services will employ. The written criteria that we have now is a nice template but in no way reflects how this will play out. I hope this helps.

Brian

cladking

I am a huge fan of the clad coins. Many of them were not saved in very large numbers
and AU's, XF's, etc are a thing of the past for many of them. Many were made very poorly
so finding nice attractive coins will prove difficult for many of the clad Roosy dates. How-
ever, I don't believe many of the dimes will prove to be rare unless the bar is held extremely
high. No, this isn't modern bashing, it's just a reflection of the fact that the dime dies wear
out very slowly so each die has an opportunity to make many more gems than the larger
clads. The dime is much lighter so minor collisions with other coins are less likely to result
in damage.

Gem, full strike dimes are much more available in mint sets than the other denominations.
Some are as common as nearly 15% of production. Every date appears as a full gem. Dimes
should be a great place to form high quality modern collections that are easier than any other
of the denominations.

Don't be discouraged from trying the dime set. You will find some challenges and they do make
a large attractive set that's still off the beaten path.

NoGvmnt

I found a 2001D with full split bands. The latest Coin World explains in detail what both NGC and PCGS will be looking at for the "Full Torch", "Full Bands" designations. give it a look-see.
Jim

darktone

I just found a really sharp 1946 full torch but I think the first year of issue should be abundant with nice examples. mike

oldcameoproofsguy

Were silver coins struck at the San Fransico mint as poorly struck for the dimes as they were for the Franklins?

LucyBop

surprisely, no. I have found many s mints that are solid, however, there is a few that are proving to be super super tough....

FC57Coins

OldCam and Lucy - I'm looking over a set this week that has every mint represented and they all look original. I'll post what I find on here when I go through them.

Frank

chiefbob

I just checked my 1996-W Roosie that I got back last month from PCGS, MS68. Close, but no cigar!
However, my submission that was just graded gave me a 1998-P MS67. According to the price guide, it must be pretty scarce in MS67. It will be interesting to see if it's FSB.

Question: I've looked at the pics for the split bands on this site and also Coin World. What I've noticed with the lower horizontal bands is that it appears fully split and separated until just at the extreme right where it looks like they join. Is this not an FSB? Does the band separation have to be completely across the torch? It appears it is, but if you tilt it to the left, the bands appear to wrap around the torch and join.

Bob

dbldie55

They work in vending machines with or without full "torch/bands" the same. Makes no difference to me. Another designation that makes people focus on a small part of a (small in this case) coin.

cladking

The V nickels work in vending machines too, but it sure takes a lot of '86's to buy a pop now days.

However that can possibly be relevant. We're not talking about coins which are in or going into circulation
anymore than the 1886 nickels are going to be spent. Try to keep up.

cladking

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Question: I've looked at the pics for the split bands on this site and also Coin World. What I've noticed with the lower horizontal bands is that it appears fully split and separated until just at the extreme right where it looks like they join. Is this not an FSB? Does the band separation have to be completely across the torch? It appears it is, but if you tilt it to the left, the bands appear to wrap around the torch and join.

Bob >>



Full lower bands on the clads do not extend all the way across. At least on
most dates this detail isn't on the dies. This probably pretty much applies to
the silvers also. It will be most interesting to see what gets the designation.

LucyBop

on the silvers i am seeing that the split on the bottom band does extend all the way across the torch, just as seen in my photo above.