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One heck of an upgrade!

dweeberlorddweeberlord Posts: 47
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From this to this!

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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And it was overgraded to begin with.

    Funny.

    And sad.

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  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,332 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know how you found this, but it's great! (Is it your coin?)
    Andy Lustig

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  • dweeberlorddweeberlord Posts: 47
    He also has an 1897-O in MS-66! Wow!! It is going for $1200+. I was just browsing and came across this. I've got nothing to do with it.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The PCGS Price, one of the most respected and accurate price guides >>



    He's either an idiot or a crook.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • dweeberlorddweeberlord Posts: 47
    Or maybe a little bit of both?
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    If that 97-O is a 66, Russ hates AH Kennedy's!!! What a ripoff artist! There are going to be some unhappy people out there.
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • NoGvmntNoGvmnt Posts: 1,126 ✭
    Yeah, but look who is the high bidder now.image
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,332 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This Morgan is in EXCELLENT condition

    Wow! He upgraded it to "Excellent" condition. So?
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    But that is nothing.
    Check this one out!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,332 ✭✭✭✭✭
    But that is nothing. Check this one out!

    The stingrayvetteman would be better off buying ACG coins. image
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Yeah, but look who is the high bidder now. >>



    That high bidder needs to look at this slimeball's other auctions.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The stingrayvetteman would be better off buying ACG coins. >>



    He buys a lot of Morgans. You'd think he'd know better.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • TWODOGSTWODOGS Posts: 1,419
    I believe that the seller is our boy "daleearnhardtwillbemissed" with a new handle. What a scam.
    J.C.
    *******************************************************************************

    imageimageSee ya on the other side, Dudes. image
  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    Incredible! What a crook.
    And he really knows how to word it too. If you read it very carefully, nowhere in the entire ad does it ever say this coin IS a MS65. It only says " $30,000 @ MS65 " and blah! blah! blah!... plus other prices at other MS levels. So, if some poor soul got it , say @ $20K, thinking he got a steal of a deal, and then finds out it's a piece of crap, he can't really sue this jerk,because the ad never said the coin WAS a MS65.
    I think this guy must be a crooked lawyer, or he has an advisor as a crooked lawyer.
    This is a reason I never buy anything on ebay, although I know there are decent and honest people doing business there. There are also too many crooks!
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    That is sad - buys a coin for $50 and sells the $50 coin for $1200

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11979&item=3015740210$50 -> $1200
  • MrEurekaMrEureka Posts: 24,332 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is sad - buys a coin for $50 and sells the $50 coin for $1200

    Beats buying a $50 coin for $1200 and selling it for $50!
    Andy Lustig

    Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.

    Visit the Society of US Pattern Collectors at USPatterns.com.
  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    The seller apparently just received negative feedback.image Too bad.image
  • MaxMax Posts: 124
    Can I play devil's advocate for a moment?

    What has this fellow done wrong? There is no lie and there is no wonderful claim. It's all factual information.

    Misleading? Sure if you don't read well and are all too excited.

    Is the coin overgraded? Sure but so are 99% of raw on ebay and in dealer cases.

    Buyer beware! You will not stop this guy as long as suckers are born every minute.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,661 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Scamcrook, we love you. image

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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    Max,

    <<<What has this fellow done wrong?>>>

    Well gee, I dunno, lets see........he offers a cheap, cleaned XF coin, he calls the coin a "GEM" in his description, puts "MS65 and $30,000.00" as his headline, and quotes a price guide for coins that have absolutely nothing to do with what he is selling in an attempt to grossly mislead people.

    So what has this seller done wrong?? Nothing at all if you're a lowlife cheap crook con man I suppose.

  • MaxMax Posts: 124
    Relax Dragon, I am not agreeing with his tactics but it appears to me he is doing things many on ebay do and get away with.

    There is a well known "reputable" seller who auctions MS65 coins but also puts "MS66?" in the title and states it's a good upgrade coin.

    I won't even go into those who legitimize their wares by slabbing them with PCI, ACG or NTC. That's even more misleading and involves more dollars and collectors.

    Stopping one auction is not going to save the collecting world.

    Yes it is sad but then again it is business as usual.
  • MrpawnMrpawn Posts: 595
    image



    image


    Not the same coin
    eBay Auctions
  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    Mrpawn,
    You really need to get new glasses. It's the same coin.

    OBVERSE: same pointed toning spot right next to the last star before the E.
    Also dark spots in and around the same R and B of PLURIBUS of both coins.

    REVERSE: same toning spot on the periphery at 8 to 9 o'clock. Also the same depression at the
    upper left hand corner of the O of DOLLAR.


    Max,
    See my comment in the post above.
    Question to you: So, you think his tactic is acceptable?
  • ERER Posts: 7,345 ✭
    "Stopping one auction is not going to save the collecting world."
    ".......it is business as usual."

    Have you ever heard of "I'm only one person, my vote doesn't count"?
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    I was thinking not the same coin either, but I think it is and got a new hairdo -> added tooling to increase hair definition.
  • roadrunnerroadrunner Posts: 28,310 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey, don't be so hard on the guy. That coin was obviously just
    "conserved" by the pros and the reason why it got an upgradeimage

    And quit making fun of my auctions!!

    roadrunner
    Barbarous Relic No More, LSCC -GoldSeek--shadow stats--SafeHaven--321gold
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Stopping one auction is not going to save the collecting world. >>



    That's true. But, it did just save at least one poor schmuck from getting fleeced out of over $1200. I suppose, though, that since taking any action against one slimeball is not going to stop all slimeballs, it would be better to simply ignore the problem completely.

    Russ, NCNE

    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • NoGvmntNoGvmnt Posts: 1,126 ✭
    Mrpawn,"Not the same coin , Ofcourse it is the same coin. Look at the obverse, same axact marks on the neck, same indent just right of the star below "E", just different lighting.
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Yep, it's the same coin; just imaged at a different angle. One can pretty much make any average coin look completely different from image to image just by changing lighting and angle - you don't even need any editing software.

    Russ, NCNE

    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    OMG -> coinz4us says Scamcrook is one of vandalists hijacking auctions with high bidding/never pay


    bid he was high bidder on the 1897-O MS66 @ $82500 for only $1250!

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