Take this poll regarding buying and selling on this forum!

mnmcoin · March 30, 2003 12:42AM

Once for all, let's decide this. Say majority rules and everyone sticks to the results.

morris <><

LucyBop · March 30, 2003 12:49AM

I have found some killer coins offered here by a certian Hepcat!!!! I voted a big yes Daddy-o!!!!!!!

semicycler · March 30, 2003 12:52AM

I thought this was decided already back when the forum was split from the USC forum. The consensous opinion was in general, buying/selling should be in the BS&T forum but it was OK to list PCGS registry quality material, like pop-top stuff, right here.

On the other hand, the admins are enforcing the house rules so technically all BS&T'ing should be on the BS&T forum.

rwhite · March 30, 2003 12:55AM

i think you're right semi... no need for a new vote, we already have rules.

dpoole · March 30, 2003 1:05AM

I agree. The local "cultural" has set (and has enforced) the rules here about selling, and has chastened perceived "offenders" just fine.

I suppose a Parlimentary "vote of confidence" once in awhile can't hurt...

dpoole votes "Yea."

DRG · March 30, 2003 1:16AM

Yes, semicycler has it exactly right. This has been discussed about every six months for the last couple of years and the same decision has been reached each time.

"Registry Quality" coins should be sold right here.

The policing of what qualifies as a "Registry Quality" coin is an ongoing matter.

tompkins · March 30, 2003 1:20AM

Here we go again! Maybe someone can retain a link to this thread and poll for the next time the issue comes up!

Pete

python1 · March 30, 2003 1:22AM

I vote NO because the question is still to open for a real answer.....
If the question were written as follows, it might define it better.
"Is it OK to post a coin for sale on the Set Registry Forum, as long as it is in fact, a Registry Quality coin (in a PCGS holder), and is not listed on another website for sale...e.g. Ebay or the like."
Then my vote would be yes.
JMHO......

LucyBop · March 30, 2003 1:32AM

<< I vote NO because the question is still to open for a real answer..... >>

sounds like you should have voted = no, but.....

dbldie55 · March 30, 2003 1:38AM

<< Once for all, let's decide this. Say majority rules and everyone sticks to the results.

morris <>< >>

Why do you think you can decide policy on the private forum. I say CU rules, and every sticks to the rules. Of course, that goes against the few who think they should be in charge of things here.

Now you want some vague rules. What is registry quality? (nearly every coin in a PCGS holder is "registry quality", from a Poor 1 to MS/Pr 70). What about raw coins? These should really qualify as they will have to be sent to PCGS to be graded and thus bring in revenue (to pay for these boards). Coins already certified do not bring in any revenue! How about all of you people who are always hawking your inventory on this board start paying a commission to CU for being allowed to be special and sell on this board while nearly every other member uses the BST board that was created for this purpose.

BigE · March 30, 2003 1:51AM

I vote yes because the fewer the rules the better---------------BigE

Zerbe · March 30, 2003 2:03AM

YES ! As long as people offer Registry quality coins or sets. Anybody with half a brain knows that Braddicks lowest pop set is a joke and so what if he did offer those coins here. How often would that be ?
Braddick I hope I remember correctly, that some Registry set you have, is for a joke or whatever. If I am wrong on that, I'll flame myself !! I think the amount and quantity of coins being offered here in the past has been up to standard and not intrusive.
If people start offering inappropriate coins here, because of all the attention this thread has caused , then we can speak up and complain to that poster. I am starving for Registry quality coins and never see enough offered here.
I did acquire a nice Registry quality coin because of this site, from the Jim Swan collection. If I did not see the ad here I would have missed a very rare coin.
I have been to the BST board and do not remember seeing any Registry quality material there.

Coulport · March 30, 2003 2:23AM

Yes, but keep it there.
Don't go into the other forums with your bulletin boards.

DAM · March 30, 2003 2:39AM

YES ! As long as people offer Registry quality coins or sets.

I would like someone from PCGS to please define Registry Quality Coins. I don't think there is any other way to describe a Registry Quality Coin than to say "a PCGS graded coin". Because, nothing but PCGS coins are allowed in the Registry. Unless you own one of the "Phantom Sets". Then all bets are off!

I'd like to hear PCGS state coins below AU50, for example, aren't Registry Quality. How many collectors would that effect? Or to say anything costing under $1500 isn't Registry Quality. I don't believe PCGS would be so stupid as to stick their nose up at a collector base because of their financial limitations.

So then, why should we?

LucyBop · March 30, 2003 3:11AM

a AU50 1916d Winged Liberty is a registry quality coin to me....

DCAMFranklin · March 30, 2003 3:14AM

<< I thought this was decided already back when the forum was split from the USC forum. The consensous opinion was in general, buying/selling should be in the BS&T forum but it was OK to list PCGS registry quality material, like pop-top stuff, right here.

On the other hand, the admins are enforcing the house rules so technically all BS&T'ing should be on the BS&T forum. >>

Semicycler is completely correct and the BS&T works just fine.

In the recent past, Morris has made numerous, poorly disguised attempts to advertise coins on this Forum. Those attempts to skirt the rules brought him lots of ridicule. Now that Ebay has substantially increased it's fees for reserve auctions and Morris is too chicken to offer his coins with a low initial bid and NO reserve (though that is his right), he offers this blatant attempt to change the rules. Why? To provide another internet market, however, with NO fees for him. There IS an internet market here, with NO fees, and it is the BS&T. Use it Morris. Perhaps it doesn't have the traffic you want, or it doesn't bring the level of business you want as your prices are always too high, but it IS the prescibed medium for coin sales on this Forum. We like the rules the way they are. We DON'T want the coin ads cluttering up this Forum.

pqgold · March 30, 2003 3:22AM

Who is Morris ?
Oh sorry, just saw his name at the top of the page, but I have no recolection of him offering coins on this forum. It sounds like a personal issue with you, DCAM. Coins of quality and helpful to the Registry participants is the issue here and I agree they should be offered here.

quattrocoins · March 30, 2003 3:25AM

Yes!

and I don't think that it matters where the coin is listed, ie: ebay, Heritage, Teletrade, etc. If it's got a PCGS cert. #, pointing out it's availabilty is enough for me!

As always, jmho.

Don

wondercoin · March 30, 2003 3:25AM

"We like the rules the way they are. We DON'T want the coin ads cluttering up this Forum."

DCAM: Please see DRG's post on the other thread on this board. Coins have ALWAYS been offered on this board BUT NOT THE COIN FORUM. I agree with you completely regarding the Coin Forum. And, as I said before, if CU made it clear that coins could not be offered on this board either, I would abide by the rule change without question.

I also agree that a clear understanding of the rules is important to all

Wondercoin

LucyBop · March 30, 2003 3:32AM

<< Morris is too chicken to offer his coins with a low initial bid and NO reserve >>

Absolutely false statement about Morris's auctions which I have followed, he just sold a 1950 cam Frankie for $799 on Ebay. A killer killer deal on this GEM which was a 1200 coin easy.... He also had some nice toned ms66 Roosies with some incrediblely low opening bids and low bins for the quality of coins that they were. I couldn't disagree stronger with the above remark.

dbldie55 · March 30, 2003 3:39AM

<< I vote yes because the fewer the rules the better---------------BigE >>

Ironic that when Carol (who I think was instrumental in creating this forum) stated that she interpeted the rule as you can sell an existing registry set or duplicates from an existing registry set. (not sure if that means you have to be the owner)

How many coins offered on this board match that interpretation? 1%, 3%?

Until the rules are clarified (and enforced), those that sell will continue to do so without regard for them. Maybe we need the UN in here, they have lots of experience with creating things they do not enforce, nor clarify.

solid · March 30, 2003 4:04AM

I voted yes, but what's all the fuss about rules lately?

This board does a good job of self-policing, I think.

Some people occasionally try to use it solely for hawking their ebay auctions,
and they are rightfully flamed.

Others offer many coins for sale, but are welcomed because they contribute
meaningful posts and their offerings are in line with what many folks are
interested in.

Various registry participants occasionally offer duplicates, entire sets, or
point us to their auctions they think will be of interest...no harm there as
far as I see.

so, let's just get on with it!!!

Ken

quattrocoins · March 30, 2003 4:11AM

Solid, Solid!

Don

DAM · March 30, 2003 4:13AM

a AU50 1916d Winged Liberty is a registry quality coin to me....

Lucy,

As far as I'm concerned a 1916 (p) is Registry Quality, if it's in a PCGS holder.

dbldie55 · March 30, 2003 4:25AM

I am going to just start creating selling threads (should be able to do a couple hundred). They will be coins that have a PCGS set for them so they should qualify. Flame away, but it is your rules that I would be following. Nothing in "your" interpretation of the rules says you have to limit the number of coins per thread.

As soon as they get moved down, I will just TTT them to the top 4 or 5 pages.

I think what you would find is that most selling threads are in reality bending the rules (but not too far), not adhering to them.

Your rules, let me know when to start a selling barage of low grade coins.

mdwoods · March 30, 2003 4:47AM

Your rules, let me know when to start a selling barage of low grade coins.

dbldie55 makes a good point. Registry quality coins listed here should probably be near top pop, like the 3 highest grades, for the coin being sold. And they should be PCGS coins only. Of course, there will be exceptions, like a Chain Cent or some other special rarity. Generally the group does a fair job of self policing. mdwoods

dpoole · March 30, 2003 4:56AM

I think what you would find is that most selling threads are in reality bending the rules (but not too far), not adhering to them.

dbldie55-

This may be a matter of taste and style, but I think rules are guidelines, not heavenly edicts, and that common sense should prevail in these kinds of non-earth-shaking activities, like posting on coin boards.

I think you CAN guage the propriety of a "for sale" post on the Registry Set forum by applying the "flame test." You and I know that if you put up a bunch of "barrage of low grade coins" and ttt them all day, you will stir a countervailing barrage of flame posts. If your "for sale" post is of value to the Registry Set folks who frequent here, your post will be welcomed.

What's a "disallowed" for sale post here? It's like porn. Most of us will know it when we see it.

DIMEMAN · March 30, 2003 5:05AM

I agree with solid. WHAT IS ALL THE FUSS????????? I would personally rather see good stuff here than have to go to BST and sort thru all the junk to find good coins.

And dbldie55, you need to take a chill pill.

Jon

DAM · March 30, 2003 5:13AM

dbldie55 makes a good point. Registry quality coins listed here should probably be near top pop, like the 3 highest grades, for the coin being sold. And they should be PCGS coins only. Of course, there will be exceptions, like a Chain Cent or some other special rarity. Generally the group does a fair job of self policing.

Mark,

I agree. And I think most do. But perhaps some that don't. My point in making a statement about grade and price was to show to some a PCGS coin could be considered Registry Quality. If you ask PCGS to define Registry Quality, they'd be crazy to define it as a grade or put a price on it, IMO.

But then again, what about the collector who's budget only allows them to collect AU coins or coins priced $100 or less? Is this forum saying "sorry about your luck, you have to check the BST board" because your coins aren't worth listing? I think there are lots of members of this forum who have limited budgets.

I'm not trying to intentionally sound sarcastic. But the way it's being presented, to be able only to list Top 3 or so grade coins here, for example, sure sounds snobish, to me.

dbldie55 · March 30, 2003 5:35AM

Jon, just taking DAM's points and running with them. Are the few who seem to want to dictate policy on this board so elitist that they can decide what is worthy of collecting? Even the top 3 grade thing (which is much better than pop top, no offense meant to you mwoods) has faults. There are coins that almost no one on this forum can afford that still would not qualify for this rule, while you could sell a dime a dozen PR69 modern.

As long as you leave it hazy, someone will get upset. I have seem people flamed on this board for selling stuff that was everybit as legitimate as anything else (even more legit than most items here), while others list even non-PCGS coin ebay sales with no one caring.

It is all about being in the clique, or being an outsider. I just think it needs to be defined. Look at the number of posts to the thread that started this. I would think this is something that should be done. If not, why shouldn't I list what I want.? Flame away, that would be the intent. Flaming someone for doing nothing wrong has no merit.

None of my registry sets actually include regsitry quality coins, so I buy them elsewhere, so no harm to me.

DIMEMAN · March 30, 2003 6:42AM

dbldie55,

I wasn't flamming you at all. As a matter of fact I agree with you 100% on the "Registry Quality" thing. I think any nice original coin is good enough, weather it is a bust coin in vg to a merc in 67 or 65 or 64 or 63 or less if it is hard to find or cost prohibitive. I don't collect moderns, so I don't have anything higher than 67 myself.

I guess I just don't mind threads selling coins. I won't dwell on it anymore. And I wish these threads would stop.

Jon

braddick · March 30, 2003 6:59AM

I like the way Solid stated it.
I also voted, "yes".

wondercoin · March 31, 2003 12:29AM

Morris: A picture (poll results) is worth a thousand words.

Wondercoin

MadMonk · April 1, 2003 2:27AM

I voted no. That is why there is a BST board. Why argue over something so apparently beyond the spirit of the thing.

MadMonk · April 1, 2003 2:30AM

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