Input sought. Draco's submission brings up a good point. Is submitting Bust and Seated just a crap

wingedliberty

Experienced numismatists are aware that most Bust and Seated material,
as well as Barbers have been cleaned at one time or another. I have heard
estimates as high as 70%. So when you think about it, any submission of
these is really a crapshoot? Your thoughts? I realize there are concessions by
grading services for light cleaning, but still highly subjective.

Brian.

paigowjohnny

I agree...a crap shoot. The bottom line as I see it is that the decision does become purely subjective. In the end, do they want to have that coin in their holder.

Example...I sent an 89-CC dollar to NGC some time ago. Bagged for cleaning. Now it's a VF 20 in my eye...and a bunch of people looked at it before I bought it as well as a hard look by me. I have NO doubt that the coin was probably cleaned at some point in it's life, but there were no noticable hairlines and the color was good. I figure it was market acceptable. Well, in so many words, NGC said that they just didn't want the coin in their holder with what they determined was that appearance.

In the end, it went to ANACS and got a straight up, no net, VF 20...which in my eyes and by reading the ANA standard is where it ought to be.

wingedliberty

Paigojohny:
You said it very well. "Do they want the coin in their holder?". Its highly
subjective, I agree 100%.


Brian

Steve27

Pre-1840 they don't seem to notice or care if it's been cleaned (probably because almost 100% have been cleaned). Post-1840 it's just as you describe.

wingedliberty

Maybe David Hall can address this. Its an interesting discussion.

Brian.

tjkillian

Pre-1840 they don't seem to notice or care if it's been cleaned


I sent in a 1799 Bust Dollar that my dealer said was stored in a leather pouch. PCGS said it was cleaned.

Tom