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VicPortlandVicPortland Posts: 285 ✭✭✭
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I've been had.

I was the winning bidder on the ...'nicest MS63 Flying Eagle'. (sorry I don't know how to make the link):

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=169994&highlight_key=y&keyword1=flying

So I get the coin and it is NOT the one that was shown in the large scans. I contacted the seller and said he could do one of three things:

1) Send my money back and I would sent the coin back OR
2) Send me $200 since that is what I overpaid based on his bogus photos OR
3) Do nothing and I would blast him with a negative feedback and initiate an ebay fraud complaint (I know, big deal).

Of course I got no response. So, here I am out $200 (or more) AND TO ADD INSULT TO INJURY, look what was just listed on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3015027660&category=11942

Does this coin look familiar with it's die chip over the wing and it's wonderful strike?

The reason the original coin was 'the nicest MS63 Flying Eagle' is because it is really an MS64 !!! The low-life seller from my auction downloaded scans from ANOTHER auction in order to get higher bids from unsuspecting fools like me.

Oh well, as one of my old friends used to say " What's a mother to do?".

The low-life ebay seller goes by the name of disneylulu and I have to hand it to him, he is real clever. Sells a bunch of $1 or $2 cards so he gets all kinds of good feedback and then scams people on coins. He can claim to have a 99% good feedback rating.

Anybody have any success with ebay fraud complaints or are the 2 workers at ebay too busy counting their money to really investigate?


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  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭
    Link to auction (He's removed the original pictures from his server)

    Link to thread

    Link to 2nd auction

    Did you print out or save the picture from the original ad?

    You should file a fraud complaint with eBay - but they're pretty useless.

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  • VicPortlandVicPortland Posts: 285 ✭✭✭
    I kinda had a feeling there was a 'catch' when he shut down the link the instant the auction ended (I like to download images after each successful auction win).

    At least the coin I got really is a PCGS MS63 Flyer (the original 'free' ebay photo is accurate), it is just that I overpaid based on bogus photos of an MS64 coin!

    Oh well. You win some and lose some I guess.

  • LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,416 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll send an email to a friend who says this guy is a straight shooter and see if he can help.....stand by.....but don't hold your breath. image
    "My friends who see my collection sometimes ask what something costs. I tell them and they are in awe at my stupidity." (Baccaruda, 12/03).I find it hard to believe that he (Trump) rushed to some hotel to meet girls of loose morals, although ours are undoubtedly the best in the world. (Putin 1/17) Gone but not forgotten. IGWT, Speedy, Bear, BigE, HokieFore, John Burns, Russ, TahoeDale, Dahlonega, Astrorat, Stewart Blay, Oldhoopster, Broadstruck, Ricko, Big Moose.
  • orevilleoreville Posts: 12,077 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Vic: I was your immediate underbidder and I remember the pics from the original auctions very clearly. If what you received is different from the pics that I remember so clearly, I will back you up 100% and get this guy thrown out of ebay. I studied the pics for many hours indeed.

    You can contact me at oreville21@yahoo.com (my user name on ebay was oreville21).
    A Collectors Universe poster since 1997!
  • shylockshylock Posts: 4,288 ✭✭✭
    Unreal. Those are definitely the images from the MS63 auction you won, minus the full slab pic. Same clashed die line on the lower left inside of the wreath, etc... You've got plenty of witnesses.
    Paul <> altered surfaces <> CoinGallery.org
  • tjkilliantjkillian Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭
    I, too, saw the coin and say that was not cool. It looks like you neg'd him, as he deserves. At least you received a PCGS graded MS-63, if not a super PQ version.

    Tom
    Tom

  • ANACONDAANACONDA Posts: 4,692 ✭
    This is an issue i have faced....i don't protect my images: i purposely let people copy my images for their purposes but people have stolen
    my images for nefarious activities. I had a 1795 Flowing Hair Dollar in PCGS AU53 that was an absolute butt kicker. Somebody stole my
    images and used them to try to foist a fraud.

    It's a balancing test. Wyn Carner used to prevent people from copying his images.

    We all know that eBay is a place where you need to be careful. eBay has made a mistake by charging too much and giving too little protection.

    They got their first, essentially. But don't kid yourself. Didn't Apple used to have a huge part of the market...maybe even come close
    to dominating the PC field? The point may not be properly made with Apple computers but the point is hopefullly not lost that dominance is
    not a permanent thing. (right.........DH.....?)

    adrian

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