toughest regisrty set..what do you think?

scher

I collect proof walkers,mercs and buffalo nickels and 10 indians..also classic commems and 3 cent nickels..by far for me the 3 cent nickels in mint state are the toughest just cannot find em....what is the hardest for you? what do you collect?
Bruce Scher

DAM

Two Cents, a few Type Sets, Proof Liberty Nickels, Silver Three Cents. Most of these are listed (the proof Liberty Nickels isn't) on the Registry. The toughest set I've found to add to is the Silver Three Cent. Quality, higher grade 3CS coins just aren't available, in "the right holder".

I think I'm going to bow out gracefully and cross the street with my Three Cent Silver set. Type material isn't too hard to find. Although, there are some pieces Barber coins, for example, that are a little hard to find nice.

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS

Bruce


I collect the finest Proof Lincoln Cents 1950-Date and I cannot compete with collectors who buy pop 1 coins for $40,000.

Stewart

EVillageProwler

I think collecting UNC-quality Seated Dollars is incredibly tough. Two of the CC's are pop 1 (in UNC) in the PCGS pops. Discounting the '70-S, there are plenty of other dates that are incredibly rare in UNC. Even a common date like the '42 is unknown in gem!

When was the last time you've seen a '45, '50-O, '55, '56 and '72-S in true UNC? Any holder, as long as it is problem-free and a true UNC.

EVP

billywls

Bruce---

I think the three most difficult series(in order of difficulty) are:

Circ stike 3 cent silvers

Circ strike shield nickels

circ stike early Jeff nickels in Full Step

All three are a serious challenge about MS65

wondercoin

Bruce: My pattern nickels are as tough as anything. Out of the roughly 400 or so different pattern nickels known, I believe nearly 2/3 are unique coins or impounded in a museum or whereabouts unknown!! The other 1/3 of the known pattern nickels are obtainable, but many are "R7" (4-12 coins known). I have been fortunate enough to reach around the 25% mark of different patterns where at least 1 coin has been graded either in PCGS or NGC. The next 25% is probably a 3-5 year project "Completion" is virtually impossible, which really doesn't bother me at all.

While patterns are not yet in the registry, my guess is it is simply because no one has pushed for their inclusion. I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the Registry in a few years (perhaps broken down by denomination, year or even metal type).

Wondercoin

goose3

I would say the early large cents!
Tbig collects them and If I recall a post of his quite a while back I think he stated that some of the coins have not even been holdered by PCGS.

Spooly

<< <i>I would say the early large cents!
Tbig collects them and If I recall a post of his quite a while back I think he stated that some of the coins have not even been holdered by PCGS. >>




Yes, it's hard to complete a set with slots in the set are POP ZERO coins!

RELLA

EVP,

Those Seated DOLLARS aren't your favorite denomination by any chance are they?

Seated Dimes and Quarters, while not as tough as Dollars in gem type, beat them out for registry building difficulty IMO. I pay more attention to the quarters myself...so here are a few quick stats:

The Seated Quarter registry set consists of 115 coins. Out of those 115 dates:

34 dates, or 30% of all dates, have 5 or fewer examples certified MS62 or finer by PCGS.
13 dates are currently unique or unknown in Mint State PCGS holders (Larry Briggs lists 10 dates (not counting minor varieties) as being unique or unknown in MS).

25 dates, or 22% of all dates, have a PCGS population of 20 coins or less IN ALL GRADES.
53 dates, or 46% of all dates, have a PCGS population of 30 coins or less IN ALL GRADES.
90 dates, or 78% of all dates, have a PCGS population of 100 coins or less IN ALL GRADES.

The key to the series is the 1873-CC NA...5 known. This coin is REQUIRED to complete the Seated Quarter registry.


The Seated Dollar registry set consists of 43 coin. Out of those 43 dates:

6 dates, or 14% of all dates, have 5 or fewer examples certified MS62 or finer by PCGS.
Only 2 dates are currently unique in Mint State PCGS holders (1871-CC in MS63; 1873-CC in MS60). No dates are unknown in MS (let's not get into debating TRUE MS vs. PCGS MS...this is about the registry).

2 dates, or 5% of all dates, have a PCGS population of 20 coins or less IN ALL GRADES ( 1851 with 17 and 1852 with 14).
2 dates, or 5% of all dates, have a PCGS population of 30 coins or less IN ALL GRADES (1851 and 1852 again...next rarest is 1873-CC with pop of 54 in all grades).
18 dates, or 42% of all dates, have a PCGS population of 100 coins or less IN ALL GRADES.

The key to the series is the 1870-S...my poor research skills are at present failing me as I cannot find a reference to confirmed number known (but have not tried that hard either)...I THINK it is more than 5. It doesn't matter too much though as this coin is NOT REQUIRED to complete the Seated Dollar registry.

Now how do you feel about those Dollars, EVP?

I think that the dimes and half-dimes (no registry for them quite yet) are almost as tough as the quarters. I wouldn't even want to try to compare any of these to those %#&*&%# large cents though, or to Mitch and his pattern nickels.

RELLA

EVillageProwler

Well, Roger, if you're gonna throw data at me!!!



Personally, I think this is how I'd rate the Seated series in descending order of difficulty for registry completion: 25c, 10c, S$1, 50c, H10c, 20c. There are several dates in the 10c denomination where even EF is very tough to locate. The '73-CC W/A, for example, is unknown from EF40 to AU58 (by PCGS and NGC).

I can see people arguing that 50c is tougher than S$1, but I think it depends on the grade range. If we're putting together an ChAU to ChMS set, then it's perhaps a toss up. ChMS+, and it's impossible to do so for S$1. For ChVF to ChAU, then I'd say that 50c is tougher. (For both series, I'm discounting the two real rarities: '53-O N/A 50c and '70-S S$1.)

Also, did you get the latest Gob Journal today? The first article is written by a friend of mine.

EVP

CarlWohlforth

What about the complete type set?

That includes lots of 1700s coins, the High Relief Saint and so on.

I did the easy %40 and am now looking at many, many years, maybe the rest of my life, before I finish.

Lakesammman

How about IHC's in 66R or finer?? Only about 2-3 possible.

I guess the IHC variety set would be pretty tough - some of the varieties have only 5-6 PCGS specimens.

LincolnCentMan

I cannot compete with collectors who buy pop 1 coins for $40,000.

Stewart,

We've both seen pics of that coin. I'd bet your "lesser" graded coin is a nicer one.


I'd say the hardest to complete would be the full US Type set... all inclusive. I dont know for sure. I have a hard enough time with the Lincoln cents.

David

tradedollarnut

Nah...... the hardest Registry set to complete is the capped bust halves - doesn't even exist!

mrcommem

Gold Dollars and Liberty Quarter-Eagles. All those tough Dahlonega and Charlotte pieces. Got to be a tough series to complete in any grade.

mdwoods

Large cents. Even if you collect by year and not by type. mdwoods

homerunhall

There are a lot of super tough sets and as BJ and I get ALL the possible sets up, there will be even more tough sets.

Here's a different approach to the question...other than the killer-diller early sets, the UNDERRATED and UNDER APPRECIATED sets are...in my opinion...

1. Barber Half Dollars circulation strikes. Check out the pops on these babies.
2. Three Cent Silvers circulation strikes. Some real stopper dates in the series.
3. Three Cent Nickels circulation strikes. More low pops and stopper dates.
4. Two Cent Pieces both circulation strikes and proofs. Short set, but just try and do a 65OB set.
5. Barber Dimes. Not as tough as the halves, but very under appreciated.

I think a cool set to do would be the Capped Bust half dimes 1829-1837. Short and sweet.

David

lava

The morgan pl/dmpl set is so tough, PCGS has essentially acknowledged it can't be done, or why else would PCGS include sets with up to 50% of the coins non-pl/dmpl.

Happy to report that my NGC morgan pl/dmpl set is now 80% complete. NGC, by the way, will not allow any non-pl/dmpl morgans into their pl/dmpl set. Makes sense to me.

The set can be done. Accept no compromises!

michael

for me one of the toughest registry sets may be the smallest but still nonetheless tough!!!!!!!!!

the proof set registry specifically the 1937 proof set

but a set that is totally original kept together since the time of issue!! with a bonus if the set is excpetionally eye appealling and of course undipped and nicely toned

a plus plus would be all the coins are superb gems! with the cent being red
that would be one helluva close to unobtainable set!

that would be one of the ultimate registry sets to obtain maybe not as expensise as some sets but no more easier to obtain nonetheless!

sincerely michael

Nysoto

If it existed as a registry set, early half dollars (1794-1807), known to JRCS members as pre-turban half dollars, would be extremly difficult. The year 1802 may not exist in mint state, and 1801 has only a couple in MS. The 1796 and 1797 small eagle has a few MS examples, if you have a few hundred thousand dollars to spare. The major varieties are even tougher.

Early half dimes would be more difficult yet.