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RYKRYK Posts: 35,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Guess the grade of this 1884-CC $5, my latest purchase from Doug Winter:


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My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132

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  • ahah Posts: 161 ✭✭✭
    au58
  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RYK:

    Great looking coin and purchased from an excellent dealer. The scan is alittle tough for me to see, but with the usual disclaimer about grading the scan and not the coin, I say its a high end AU. Probably AU55+. You should be thrilled with this one.

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coinkat,

    I have a better pic for you.

    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    nice coin! au53. mike image
  • andy007andy007 Posts: 475 ✭
    AU55
  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU56

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

  • parkaveparkave Posts: 109 ✭
    Looks like a solid AU58 to me, nice strike and color. A fine purchase! I like it.
    Bob Green
    bgreen@parkavenumis.com
    800-992-9881
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  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU-55...If I saw more luster I'd bump it up to AU-58

    And speaking of Carson City gold, my 1875-CC Double Eagle:
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    The longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it possible for an empire to rise without His aid? Benjamin Franklin
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is an NGC-58. I am a bit bummed that all the guesses were lower image

    Why is that all of the CC $20's that I see are so yellow, and the $5's and $10's are significantly darker. Have the $20's all been dipped?

    Robert
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • CarsonCityGoldCarsonCityGold Posts: 1,856 ✭
    What's the line running thru the Eagles beak? Scratch on coin, scratch on holder, die break? Nice coin. AU58 NGC (I cheated - I'd already looked at the coin on Mr Winter's website) Later, CCG
    My Carson City Gold Set



    My #1 Low Ball Peace Dollar Set
  • branchmintgoldbranchmintgold Posts: 14
    Tough crowd! The "line" on the reverse is a scratch on the holder. Upgrading to a new camera has made my images so crisp that every scratch, chip and blur on the holder comes across loud and clear. This coin is actually a very solid AU-58, in my opinion. Some facts about the date which you might find interesting: the 1884-CC is a scarce issue in all grades and it becomes quite rare in properly graded AU-55 and better. I estimate that around two dozen are known in AU and another two to four in Mint State. The NGC population figures are grossly inflated (14 in 58 and six better) due to resubmissions. Fun fact: you can easily tell that this is an 1884-CC without looking at the reverse. All known examples have a clear raised mint-made die scratch through RTY in LIBERTY.


    Doug Winter
    Douglas Winter Numismatics
    www.raregoldcoins.com
  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doug

    Since you've probably seen more CC, D, C and O mint coins than anyone else on the planet (and you've seen this coin in person) I'll gladly consider you the finalizer in this situation image.

    As to the question regarding the differences in coloration between CC $5, $10 and $20, are the differences related to handling (as the denomination increases the amount of circulation handling decreases), differences in alloy or percentages of alloy used in each denomination or some other factor? I have and have read your book on CC coins but don't remember the details regarding some of the things that might account for differences in coloration other than cleaning.
    The longer I live the more convincing proofs I see of this truth, that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice is it possible for an empire to rise without His aid? Benjamin Franklin
  • branchmintgoldbranchmintgold Posts: 14
    The coins from the 1870's have a much different look from the coins from the 1880's and 1890's. I would suspect this is due to the source and composition of the gold used. Early issues tend to be more green-gold in color while later ones are more reddish-gold. My guess is the difference between amounts of silver and gold in the original alloy.
    I am literally out of the door to go the Charlotte coin show so I won't be able to answer any other questions for a while. But, will always be happy to talk about U.S. gold and would encourage you to ask any relevant (or irrelevant) questions.

    Douglas Winter
    Douglas Winter Numismatics
    www.raregoldcoins.com
  • darktonedarktone Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭
    Robert, don't be too bummed out because if you average all the grades given you will probably be very close to the actual grade of AU58. Sorry to give the low gradeimage. mike

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,443 ✭✭✭✭✭
    RYK:

    First of all that is one great coin and you should not be disappointed that some of us that offered opinions that were at AU55 (I was AU55+) because we were looking at a scan and not the actual coin. If I saw the coin, I am sure that I would be even more impressed because it looks original and has nice color. This is exactly the type of gold coin (in terms of condition/grade) that I look for...and without much success. The originality even makes this coin all the more desirable. Grading scans can be tough... so again, don't be disappointed, be thrilled that you bought a great coin from a good dealer. Thats what matters...

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,798 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Do not worry guys, I am not disappointed. The coin came in the mail today, and it looks much better than the scan. The reverse appears pristine, and there is a lot more luster on the obverse than appears in the photo (which was "borrowed" from Doug Winter's website). This is the fifth coin that I have purchased from Doug, and there have been no disappointments!
    My Box of 20: https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/box-20/ryks-gold-box-20/17132
  • DabigkahunaDabigkahuna Posts: 3,419

    I would go AU58. Nice looking CC.

    My 1882-CC looks just like that but the hailines were to much for PCGS, I guess, because they bagged it.image


    Larry
    Dabigkahuna
    My Ebay Auctions
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  • VicPortlandVicPortland Posts: 285 ✭✭✭
    Here is my CC Gold Coin (1875CC Double Eagle). Guess the grade?


    pmh, what grade is your 1875CC Double Eagle?

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