What is up with accented hair cameos...

mnmcoin

I haven't sold one in months? I even lowered my prices considerably and they still don't sell.

morris <><

FC57Coins

I don't think Russ needs any more of them

Russ

Morris,

It's simple. Your prices are higher than the current market will bear. You also scare people away from your auctions with high opening bids, and high BINs. Long-term, the prices you're asking for the 66CAM and 67CAM you recently listed are low because of the difficulty in making these, but short term, you're going to be owning those coins until you become a bit more realistic.

A couple of examples: The last 66CAM that I actually bought already holdered, I paid less than $100. The last 67CAM that I bought already holdered, I paid less than $170.

If you're willing to wait, I believe the coins will get back to previous levels and higher, but if you need to sell now, you're going to have to come down a bunch.

Russ, NCNE

Russ

PS:

To put it another way, take a chance and do some listings with a $1 opening and no reserve. I'd had no trouble realizing strong money in my auctions doing that.

Edit: Oh yeah, and when you relist the 67CAM, drop the "s" from the end of "hair". Nobody searches on "hairs".

Russ, NCNE

Shocker

<< <i>Nobody searches on "hairs". >>



I do
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Strat

<< <i><< Nobody searches on "hairs". >> >>



At least not when it comes to coins! LOL!

doops

some first hand origination insight: first of all, DONT buy the doops' teletrade and heritage "fingerpint characteristics" spot,speck location, i.e., definitely "were our coins" etc intended blowout problem coins we maintain a "base reserve level" on for whatever they'll go for over that and then try to retail them on jokebay. let a non-reseller take em. Buy,or make,or keep for retail purposes only the better quality,pass the test and premium quality stuff for trying to fetch the "retail money" on the internet. NOT glut the market with re-cycled over and over duds that unfortunately we produced originally basis us seeing "fingerprint id marks and spots" and our slab #'s that we blew out anonymously the most of in coinland out there for 1950 to 1970 cameos on a regular basis. I see this every single day, our tt or hrcg blowout slab #'s back recycled on ebay all over the place which is fine for us,they still sold from us,they all do whether it's here,there or yonder and as a producer it dont really matter to us,let em any and all say what they want. BUT,pay attention to what i'm saying. This ruins the "ebay market" (if there is such a thing) for the "really nice coins" which we work hard at maintaining true market levels on elsewhere in the wholesale arena. i prefer to remain predominantly anonymously wholesale as a producer. Many dont realize this about us and then many can not,or dont know how to make it click and jive and they simply buy secondarily then try to hang the offs in with the goods to try and fetch the goods level of money. All cams are not created equal and minute slight to subtle distinctions make all the difference in the world. all that the aforemetioned does for the 1950-1970 (and sometimes 1) dealer is it distorts the enitre crux of the 1950-1970 cameo "real and true market". and makes it hard, per'se, to get $500 for a deserving coin that otherwise the same date, grade, service,etc goes for $200-250 in shy or "off" condition. TEACH the true cameo investors and collectors to shy from problem coins and the brotherhood market for nice ones will always fetch their real $$$ amonst those who know the difference.

Russ

Hey Morris,

Maybe you should cross them to ACG. Poor schmuck just paid $225 for a coin that's likely a PR65 no cam.

Russ, NCNE

Russ

Or, better yet, just leave them in the proof set and get $144 for it! Man, what the hell happened in that auction?

Russ, NCNE

TWQG

<< <i>pay attention to what i'm saying >>

- I can't make sense of anything you've written and usually can't. Is English your first language?

DCAMFranklin

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<< <i>pay attention to what i'm saying >>

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Sean- Notice the time of the post. After last call and the bars closed, he then had to weave his way home and post to the Forum. Extremely strange.........

mnmcoin

Thanks Russ and doops!

Russ, I didn't know they had dropped that much, I saw a 67cam on tt for $260 and priced it around that. The 66cam should be in a 67cam and thought I asked a reasonable markup, but not if they are going for that. Hey it doesn't hurt to advertise it at a higher price to try and bring them up again, specially since I haven't seen them offered a lot lately. I think you are right, they should rebound, in addition to the 20-30 or so that I made recently I think a couple other people made some others as well. I used to pick up about 5 or so sets each show I went to but haven't found one in the last 6 months or so, so I think they are drying up. I am not really trying to dump them so I don't want to let me go cheap, but understand what you are saying, I just trend alot of sales and prices people quote me at shows and call me, cause they know I deal in the stuff, and most people quote assanine prices, and don't blink when I say no, so they must be gettin rid of it elsewhere at those prices, cause I don't get called back.

doops, thanks for the knowledge, I had to read it twice but I think I understand and it makes good sense, I'll see what I can do, I have a few thousand coins at PCGS now with about another 10-20k to send in over the long haul, and I will probably have to use some of the wholesale market to spread out the stuff.

morris <><

doops

<< <i>Thanks Russ and doops!

Russ, I didn't know they had dropped that much, I saw a 67cam on tt for $260 and priced it around that. The 66cam should be in a 67cam and thought I asked a reasonable markup, but not if they are going for that. Hey it doesn't hurt to advertise it at a higher price to try and bring them up again, specially since I haven't seen them offered a lot lately. I think you are right, they should rebound, in addition to the 20-30 or so that I made recently I think a couple other people made some others as well. I used to pick up about 5 or so sets each show I went to but haven't found one in the last 6 months or so, so I think they are drying up. I am not really trying to dump them so I don't want to let me go cheap, but understand what you are saying, I just trend alot of sales and prices people quote me at shows and call me, cause they know I deal in the stuff, and most people quote assanine prices, and don't blink when I say no, so they must be gettin rid of it elsewhere at those prices, cause I don't get called back.

doops, thanks for the knowledge, I had to read it twice but I think I understand and it makes good sense, I'll see what I can do, I have a few thousand coins at PCGS now with about another 10-20k to send in over the long haul, and I will probably have to use some of the wholesale market to spread out the stuff.

morris <>< >>


that is the key to moving it all and keep things rolling on. spread the "stuff" and personalize sales with the nice and pq only. become distinct for only the clean pq high ender's and the want list fill your desk up for half your inventory without you ever having to list,auction,show-blow or ebay over and over. no cam dealer of any significant level of ongoing weekly and bi-monthly incomings can slab many thousands of coins a year and retail them one by one. personally,for us ebay was purely elective in 4 coin areas distinct and separate. yes,it helps but amounts to maybe 3-4% of our yearly business's gross. most of our stuff moves off 20-25 yr+ compiled want lists at reality levels.
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on another,but yet sort of related note,esp when talking cameos:
those on a mission from hell to jealously and sickeningly make feeble,stupid and costly, i might add, attempts to impune us when they dont even know what they are talking about or that the stuff they sell or buy elsewhere most probably we made to begin with for the most part are mere chumpchange. as are those who cynically think "ebay is all the world in which it happens". they hadnt got an inkling of a true clue. what a sure enough JOKE. ebay could be nuked and gone forever and it would not effect us in the least is the crux of it. we do what we do and ebay neither makes us not nor hot. most are working 9-5 for joe blow without it and this c/u forum as their venues of troublemaking,button pushing and scheming. without it, they scheme in their dreams only while they whine about the cost of gasoline. we do a simple yet massive lucrative operation people who dont know.(most do). out of some 300,000+ proof,cam and dcam pcgs and ngc slabs since inceptions,of the 1950 to 1970 era we have slabbed some 50,000+ over 16 yrs of those ourselves singularly. our little friend dchump is THE first and foremost scorned one on the "wannabe" list and all of you should know this. a mere pauper he is. heh, so far only about 7 on here have pegged him dead on just from acquaintanceships and first hand knowledge. about 60 or 70 have inquired. he has intrigued many with his talk, which is ONLY talk. one friend (?) of his revealed him to us in confidence a few mos ago as if we didnt already know. even close but yet friends who possess integrity dont like bs'ers and "wing-it" limited knowledged individuals when they see them talking their crap,take notes son. however, in honoring the confidence,we already knew long long ago. many will be very surprised to see who does this sort of thing but then on the other hand,in a split personality-like fashion act like such an advisory,agreeable,knowledgeable and communicative member on here when nothing could even jokingly and laughingly be farther from the truth. in the coin business there is nothing worse than a chump acting as if they are "mr coin",live in a million dollar home and drive cads and have kids in the best of schools when they live in a dchump dump shack,drive junkers,act like a knowledgeable coin person when they really only know a scam or 2 to bs the ears of the masses in general. even makes you yourself sick dont it dchump as you are reading this about you,eh? carol and c/u are already aware as we made them here recently that we have a subponea out to them (c/u) for dchump's registering info,etc and our blueprint for a full retraction of ALL of the bs from him. *pop* plug pulled, then,goner,but only step one of about 4. he's a fraud, a chump and talks only what he learned from listening to others then mimmicks as if he is in some stature of importance. what does the f*rt on a toothpick wish he was?

relayer

<< <i>doops, thanks for the knowledge, I had to read it twice but I think I understand and it makes good sense, >>



I guess it is possible that doops knows what he is talking about, but to be honest I've never been able to read more than the first line or two of his posts before it becomes incoherent rambling.

Maybe he sums it all up with a brilliant closing thought at the end, but it's much too painful to read that much to ever know.

relayer

I just read doops last set of words that resembled a sentence.

what does the f*rt on a toothpick wish he was?

I'd like to take back what I said about the possibility of a brillant closing line.