Roosevelts -- Poll -- Full Bands or Full Torch ???
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Here is the original question posed by Homerun Hall:
We are in the process of writing the standards for the new "Full Torch" designation. While it would be more descriptive to call it "full bands" because the issue is the bands, we are using Full Torch because it separates Roosies from Mercs and give this underrated series an exciting identity (in my opinion.)
We are in the process of writing the standards for the new "Full Torch" designation. While it would be more descriptive to call it "full bands" because the issue is the bands, we are using Full Torch because it separates Roosies from Mercs and give this underrated series an exciting identity (in my opinion.)
As to the bands, here's the question...
Option 1 - top and bottom horizontal bands must be fully separated.
Option 2 - top and bottom horizontal bands and all vertical bands must be fully separated.
We feel the best about option1, but we would like to hear what serious collectors of this series think before we pull the final trigger. Please give us your input here or thru emails to BJ. All comments and explanations of your thinking will be read and appreciated. Thanks for your help.
David Hall
Please vote for either Full Torch or Full Bands.
We are in the process of writing the standards for the new "Full Torch" designation. While it would be more descriptive to call it "full bands" because the issue is the bands, we are using Full Torch because it separates Roosies from Mercs and give this underrated series an exciting identity (in my opinion.)
We are in the process of writing the standards for the new "Full Torch" designation. While it would be more descriptive to call it "full bands" because the issue is the bands, we are using Full Torch because it separates Roosies from Mercs and give this underrated series an exciting identity (in my opinion.)
As to the bands, here's the question...
Option 1 - top and bottom horizontal bands must be fully separated.
Option 2 - top and bottom horizontal bands and all vertical bands must be fully separated.
We feel the best about option1, but we would like to hear what serious collectors of this series think before we pull the final trigger. Please give us your input here or thru emails to BJ. All comments and explanations of your thinking will be read and appreciated. Thanks for your help.
David Hall
Please vote for either Full Torch or Full Bands.
Doug
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Registry 1909-1958 Proof Lincolns
If option #2 is used, maybe we have more of a "torch".
If only the horizontal bands are considered, I see no problem of segueing from FB Mercs into FB Roosies. JMHO
Perhaps they can just start with a "F" and add appropriate details. ie: "B"(Bands), "F"(Flame), "T"(Torch), "L"(lettering), etc.
Don
Full ____ and
The only problem with your suggestion is that some might think it's FS, where the "of" between the "F" and the "S" is understood and what the "S" stands for I can't write on these boards.
It's too bad that this designation is going to similar to the FB on Mercs and look at only 1 area of the coin rather than the entire coin. I thought the suggestion made elsewhere for a "full strike" designation was a good one.
Mark
They can stick a "B" between them and get more detailed(as in type)!
"FBS"
Don
Full ____ and
So Ok then, I voted Full Bands because that sounds dimey and Full Torch sounds like a ACG designation.
jom
Or, howabout option #1 for pre 64's and call them full split bands an then on the 65' and up use option two and call it full torch?
Acctually I haven't seen a dime in ages. Can anybody spare one?
I agree. Please don't do it!
Full Strike would be an interesting approach that could be used across the board on all coins, but using it just for the Roosevelt while using full steps, full bands, full head, ect for the other coins just does not make sense to me.
I think using FSB just like the Mercury dime maintains consistency for the dimes and will help elevate the Roosevelt by the direct association. It also is specific enough to be understood and recognized by any collector. Even as a novice when I first heard of "Fully Split Bands" I was able to easily recognize what was being designated. Full torch is much to vague to be easily understood or applied.
Lets stick with fully split horizontal bands and FSB designator.
Oh, by the way if it does matter...I voted for full split bands.
Paul B. Gunsallus
Later, Paul.
Lookout! ZAP!
Near-miss from a lightning bolt!
Todd
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We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.
The term should be "FTB." FULL TORCH BANDS.
OR "FBT" FULL BANDS TORCH.
Why???? You need a distinction between Full Bands for mercs and roosies. So FB is out.
FT is also out. Full Torch WHAT???????????
FTB or FBT follows the precedent set by the Franklin halves FBL FULL BELL LINES, also a three letter acronym. Did PCGS call the lines on the Liberty Bell FB (FULL BELL(S) )???? Of course NOT!!
Add FTB as well as FBT to the poll and I predict overwhelming support for at least one of them.
I only request that I be annointed as the father of either FTB or FBT or both.
Should we also start using "Full Fasces Bands" for Mercs?!?
On Frankies, "Full Lines" would be a little ambiguous.
On Mercs and Roosies however, as long as we know which set of bands are used, we know where they are located. JMHO
Don
Full Bands and
If you have your way, this would be the very first time PCGS ever allowed the same symbols to cover more than one series, a GRAVE mistake!
You are breaking with PCGS procedure protocol with FB.
ROTFLMAO!
Don
Full Bands and
"Oh really? What grade?"
"Oh a MS-69FB dime."
"What??? There are so few MS-69FB Mercuries out there!"
"Oh sorry, I didn't tell you it was a Roosevelt Dime in FB? Hmm, maybe we should have used that FTB to make it easier? I guess we blew it when we had the chance years ago to call it FTB?"
Don
Full Bands and