mnmcoin, looks like someone is using your image...

LucyBop

Mnm's auction : MNM auction

ebjunkee auction: ebjunkee auction

I've been up all night... but the HepKitty knows a Franklin when she see's it........ These are the same coin....

ksteelheader

I can help. Have AR 15, will travel....LOL...........Ken

LucyBop

dcmclain auction: dcmclain

ebjunkee auction: ebjunkee

shame shame on you! ebjunkee.. shame on you!

MadMonk

I'd agree with The HepKitty on that one....The nerve of some sub-humans!

cosmicdebris

I sent ebjunkie an email



<< <i>Does the picture in this auction look familer to you?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3011755271&category=11973 >>

cosmicdebris

Boy I got a fast response:



<< <i>Fellow seller, your accusation is not appreciated. The pic in my auction was retrieved from my pic gallery from way back when I bought this coin nearly two years ago. I may have even bought it from you back then. Who knows, your name is familiar and I'm sure I have bought from you at some point in time over the past year or so. I save pics of all the coins I buy, sir. Should the need arise to resell them I have pictures of them saved and available to post. Had you received a bid for $249 on a similar item, I hardly think I'd be hearing from you, would I? I see there is at least one other 55 cameo in the same PCGS grade available. You might want to take a look at that picture as well. It looks just like ours! But, then again, his asking price is higher than yours, so I guess he won't be hearing from you. >>




P.S. I never bought or sold from this guy. When I replied to his email it bounced.

LucyBop

It turns out this person has a habit of stealing pictures.... It's obvious that these pictures are identical....

MadMonk

He has some other coins that look strangely identical to some that Wayne Herndon had for sale"
I've emailed wayne to see what he thinks.

pandaman

Coins look alike...high quality ciona have very few distinquishing marks but the ones visible match up exactly. Nice pick up but seems seller does come through with good coins...no negatives. "Borrowing" pix is not right. Most of his listing include PCGS info, but none of Franklins. I think always best to show entire encapsulation. That way buyer knows getting coin pictured in the listing. If seller got pix from his "archieve", how do two different sellers have the exact same coin...coin cloning? That is immoral!!

Russ

Yep, this one is blatant and now, with his response to Cosmic, he has proven himself a liar. If the images came from his "past" purchases how could the coins currently be for sale by somebody else?

Russ, NCNE

littlewicher

I sent him an email that will make him crap his pants.

MadMonk

<< <i>I sent him an email that will make him crap his pants. >>



OOOOH. What did you say????

dwood

Alright!!!!

We haven't had a good blood-letting around here in almost 3 weeks!

gemtone65

The pictures shown at the top of this post are of the same coin. plus, the seller who used a false picture lied about it as well. (No great surprise there -- I think we've been ther before.) So, just think, this is an E-bay seller with NO negatives. I can hardly imagine the ethics, or lack thereof, of those having multiple negs from different parties.

What this means is that a perfect record in feedback is hardly definitive of a dealer's honesty; and even a few negs, presumably from brave souls risking retaliation, can be an important warning sign.

littlewicher

I was telling him that I will turn him in for photo copyright infringement. I don't know if there is such a thing, but I told him that there are heavy fines and posible jail time. Furthermore I said that if he takes down all stolen pictures, I won't turn him in.

rd5425

c'mon guys give the guy a break, did you ever stop to think that maybe the images are his and a bunch of other people just happened to be stealing his images?

MadMonk

Littlewicher, best laugh I've had all morn. Can't wait to see the results!

I emailed him asking if the image was of the actual coin he was selling.

FrattLaw

Perhaps a strongly worded letter from an attorney might be in order for all of you that have your pics stolen? I find this to be revolting that people go around and steal others hard work. With Napster and all, people are just of the impression that if it's on the Net, it's free for me to steal and use how I want.

I know Ebay will not do anything, unless they receive their own harshly worded letter indicating that as the ISP and website, they too will be joined in this matter. Once Ebay has to send their lawyers to a Fed. District Court for a TRO hearing, they might be a little more inclined to police themselves and NARU these sellers.

That sucks! If I can help let me know, I got a little experience in this area.

Michael

Russ

This one is such a toad. His response to my question about whether or not the coin pictured is the actual coin being sold:



<< <i>Hi Russ, I decided to end this auction early, but thanks for your interest.
The coin is sold and is exactly as I described it complete with my 30-Day
Money Back Guarantee to the buyer. Thanks, again. Mark >>



Notice how he deftly skirted actually answering my question? The coin is sold my ass. He ended the auction early because he knew he was nailed.

Russ, NCNE

Lori

Actually ebay does do something when someone uses your pictures. I have had that happen many times.

Here is a link to the info: Link

Here is the info that would help.

How to protect your copyrighted descriptions and images which you have previously used on eBay.

Occasionally, you may find that your image or description text has been used by another seller in their listing. If that happens, please report this to Trust & Safety.

To report the unauthorized use of your copyrighted image to eBay, go to our Contact Rules & Safety web form and click on: "Questionable Content on eBay", then "Unauthorized use of image, text, or links", and then "Use of Pictures, Text, or Links without permission". You will be provided with an email form, where you can enter the offending item number in the item number box. Be sure to include an item number of one of your listings containing your copyrighted material in the body of the email to us. Please also explain exactly how your rights have been violated.

Remember that you can only report images that you own the copyright to, such as pictures you took yourself. If you obtained the images from the internet, you likely do not have any rights in them.

Hope that helped. I had to print out some kind of form and fill it out, sign it stating I owned the picture and fax it to ebay before they did anything. But it worked.

Lori

wayneherndon

Yes, three of his auctions are using my pictures:

3012186837 is my obverse and reverse. The pics are from two different coins. The obverse is from a 66 but the reverse is a 64.

3012187752 is my obverse and reverse. By the way, this coin is actually a 65.

3012188605 is my obverse and reverse. The obverse photo is from a 1958 MS 65 and the reverse is from a 1956 MS 66 FBL.

All five of these coins are currently in my possession.

What a scumsucker!

WH

Askari

Well, are you going to put the "fear of Herndon" in him, Wayne?? It would serve him right!! Might even scare him into becoming an upright eBay citizen. Well ... it could happen.

littlewicher

Wow, he even seems to be stealing pictures off Heritage. link

wayneherndon

Askari,

Uhh, yes, I have done that already. I advised him via e-mail that I was onto just exactly what he was up to and was going to get him in a load of trouble. However, I didn't tell him specific auctions and even clicked on an unrelated one to e-mail him through the Question for Seller feature. Here's the message I got back:

Sir, with all due respect. What coins exactly are you referring to in your
claim, "to sell your coins on eBay?" Your question comes to me via a a 1991
DC Comic Batman comic I have listed, so again, with all due respect, I'm
confused as to what coins your are referring to and the "several images" you
are referring to that you claim I used to actually "sell" my coins.

Regards,

[name deleted]

My reply:

[name deleted],

I intentionally used the comic book auction so wouldn't know which ones I was on to. You know very well what you have done. I suggest you cancel ALL of your auctions with stolen images and ALL of your auctions for items you do not have. I don't intend to let you in on the little secret about which specific ones I know about. I have, however, started reporting you to various agencies with jurisdiction over your activities; and, as I can think of or figure out others I will report you there too.

WH

I did see that he cancelled the bids and ended at least the three auctions in which he was using pics he ripped from me.

WH

wayneherndon

I see most of the auctions he has left (the ones with the full slab shown) have the Heritage copyright showing.

WH

EDIT: Oops, LW, I didn't see you had just posted this info.

TWQG

One more turd for the bidder block list.

LucyBop

the HepKitty is always watching the Frankie auctions... They ain't gonna pull the whool over my eyes...

Askari

<< <i>I did see that he cancelled the bids and ended at least the three auctions in which he was using pics he ripped from me. >>

Well, at least he keeps good records of whose photos he ripped off. That eliminates the "innocence" defense.

wayneherndon

Actually, he cancelled five auctions. Four were using my pictures (there was another one I missed) and the fifth wasn't. There was also an earlier cancellation (the one using Morris' pics).

I've done some other investigations. I have the name and phone number of his employer and have verified that he is who he says he is. I suspect now that most of his auctions are legit. However, he probably had a few coins without images so he stole some. The cert numbers he listed in the auctions with my pics do not go with the coins in my pics. When I looked them up, I saw the cert number matched the described coin. So, he probably would deliver a coin with the grade and holder specified but obviously it would not match the pics.

Let's all keep an eye on him the next few weeks. Maybe he's had enough scare to go straight now.

WH

wayneherndon

Okay, I think this one will be straight for awhile. I would appreciate any help in watching his auctions for a little while.

Our latest exchange (my e-mail below, his reply at top):





Dear Mr. Herndon,

I can see that you are, sir, and I do not want a war with you or anyone else
for that matter.

I will contact the buyer of the 1955 FH and give him an opportunity to back
out of the deal per your request.

Regards,

[name deleted]

[Headers deleted]


> [name deleted],
>
> OK, I've done some checking around and think you're likely okay but just
made a slip in stealing some pics. My guess is you really have the coins
you described but don't have the ability to image them so you stole some.
If that's the case, I'm guessing you would have delivered a coin matching
your description (but not the pictured one of course). If I had the tiniest
inkling (or get it going forward--I will be watching your auctions) that you
were making up coins, stealing pictures, keeping money and not shipping
anything, I'll see to it that charges are brought against you.
>
> I see you have cancelled several auctions, including the ones with pics
you stole from me. Before cancelling them, you cancelled the bids. I do
have concern about one auction that has ended already and has a high bidder.
I strongly believe that the pictures used are not of your coin. I have
contacted the person I believe took those pictures and owns that coin to
verify for a fact that the pictures used are of someone else's coin. I
should have that evidence by morning. In the meantime, I'm going to give
you a chance to redeem yourself if you really are okay but made a slip on
the picture.
>
> Here's the honorable thing for you to do. You need to explain to the
winning bidder on that coin that you used pics that were not yours and were
of some other coin. You need to give him the opportunity to back out of the
auction or go ahead and look at the coin and decide if he wants to keep it
or not even though it was not the one pictured. You should have this person
e-mail me and verify that you have come straight with him. If you do not
take the honest approach, I will assume your intent was dishonest and will
continue to see that any wrongs you have committed (such as consumating the
above auction having used stolen pics) are reported to the various
authorities.
>
> I was planning to call your supervisor at [company name deleted] in the morning to see
if you are a honest person or not but I will hold off on everything until I
hear back as to how you plan to proceed and as to whether the other pics are
stolen. As to several of the auctions you cancelled, I myself took those
pictures and am prepared to prove that fact in court if necessary. I am
quite serious about this matter.
>
> WH

FrattLaw

Wayne

Why would you call his supervisor @ work. Is he selling these coins personally or for a dealer he works for?

Michael

wayneherndon

FrattLaw--PM sent.

WH

Askari

BTW, great eye, Lucy!! Nobody gets past you on Franks!!

mnmcoin

A quick thank you to all involved in thwarting an otherwise scoundrel.

morris <><

Bustman

I have had a few photo stolen from me. The perps for the most part, have been my customers who later re-sell them. If they ask me first I'll tell them its ok. Its the ones who assume it's ok that get to me.
I even had one guy tell me "relax, everyone does it. Its common on eBay".

cosmicdebris

Has anyone emailed Heritage?

wayneherndon

Bill,

From my communications, I feel comfortable that he really has the remaining coins and has written permission from Heritage to use those images.

WH