should pcgs offer an exceptional eye appeal designation like ngc star?

michael · March 8, 2003 4:24PM

ngc has the star designation for coins that are for exceptional/monster eye appealling coins

and has nothing at all to do with the grade and they have certain strick criteria for these ngc star coins

should pcgs offer some sort of exceptional eye appeal designation on their holders?

sincerely michael

LucyBop · March 8, 2003 4:26PM

yeah, on Frankies there should be a HepKitty approved insert for those really pq ones!

michael · March 8, 2003 4:35PM

seriously lucy

i would like to see your great! icon with your face superimposred over a franklin half on a little sticker like rick snow eagle eye photoseal and put them on pcgs franklins that have exceptional eye appeal!!

and have rick at r and i coins administrer this!!

sincerely michael

RegistryCoin · March 8, 2003 4:39PM

I would like to see pcgs adopt a star-like designation, but with a caveat, and only as a precursor to the decimal system. The caveat being: Only if its designation would be used not to raise or lower margins. (won't happen, imho)

ksteelheader · March 8, 2003 7:17PM

I think that would be excellent, however, DON'T hold your breath!!>> Ken

MadMonk · March 8, 2003 7:45PM

Sure!

leothelyon · March 8, 2003 10:29PM

Here's a familiar thread.

Leo

Where did a few of those members go?

nwcs · March 8, 2003 11:38PM

Yes, it would get thousands of slabs in for designation review or regrade.

goose3 · March 8, 2003 11:42PM

I think the whole gimmick is stupid to put it bluntly.
Who is PCGS/NGC to say that one coin deserves a * over another. I can make up my own mind if I feel a coin is PQ. What is PQ to you or me might or might not be to someone else.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I heard that somewhere.

littlewicher · March 8, 2003 11:46PM

PCGS seems to just bump coins up a grade that have superb eye appeal. So I don't think the system would work out.

Gilbert · March 8, 2003 11:55PM

I don't think they should, as I believe it can be misleading. I think "exceptional eye appeal" is in the eyes of the beholder, and may not be the same for everyone, yet, such a designation will automatically cause an increase in price for those so designated.

You may think a "monster toned" coin worthy of the star, while I may think a blast white, super lustrous coin worthy of the star. Correct, I don't have to purchase a star designated coin if I don't see the exceptional eye appeal, but, the star will only serve as just one more "point of contention" among collectors, dealers and whoever else you may want to include in the coin equation.

BTW, some of those already designated "star" coins don't always look so special to me.

IrishMike · March 9, 2003 12:04AM

The one good reason for them to offer it is the added comfort a buyer might have in purchasing the coin from an internet dealer or one of the auction sites. Gilbert I have a blast white SMS quarter with the designation. If one doesn't agree with the designation, simply pass on the coin.

Singapore · March 9, 2003 12:06AM

This is a terrible, horrendous, misguioded. short-sighted idea for collectors, and a wonderful, brilliant, clever, scheming idea for PCGS so that the owner of every nice looking coin currently in a holder will feel the need to resubmit it in hopes that it will earn a coveted and lucrative star.

When all such coins have been resubmitted, a new 2-star designation could then be added to ensure a constant flow of new coins are sent back in for regrading in hopes they'll go from 1 to 2 stars.

Bad. Very bad idea.

Lakesammman · March 9, 2003 12:12AM

An very bad idea intended only to extract more money from collectors. Like I need help with knowing what has eye appeal??

fcloud · March 9, 2003 12:21AM

No! I think it would take the Professional out of Professional Coin Grading Service. It would make them more of a joke.

Bikingnut · March 9, 2003 12:24AM

No. I don't need a grading service to tell me something I can decide on my own.

jeffnpcb · March 9, 2003 12:36AM

A BIG NOOOOOO! More attributions on the insert and handling more varieties, YES!!

Keyrock · March 9, 2003 12:39AM

No!!! I know what coin appeals to me I don't need some silly designation to indicate it.

You have toned / untoned & Brown/RB and Red Somepeople like the look of a circulated coin versus MS and MS versus Proof. I know various collectors I could slide into each area. So... Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Rich

ms71 · March 9, 2003 12:43AM

It'd be nothing but more grist for the whining/controversy mill. We all know graders are at best imperfect. We ask them to differentiate accurately and consistently among 11 mint-state grades. Throw in the "star" designator, and in effect you've got 21 or 22 mint-state grades (can an MS 70 get a "star"?......why not, mine's better than all the others...................). I have no doubt that once the practice becomes universal, valuation/pricing will add the extra tiers for the designated "bump" earned by the star. JUST what we need.

Android · March 9, 2003 1:11AM

Why not? I think it would be just another tool that us collectors can use to evaluate how PCGS "sees" coins. In this seemingly uncertain time of PCGS's grading "consistency", where so many thought they knew what to expect grade wise from PCGS, a "star" of some sort denoting exceptional eye appeal is merely another tool in helping us figure out what they are thinking when they look at our coins. It has certainly helped me understand the process better with NGC.

Andy

MrEureka · March 9, 2003 1:23AM

Bad idea.

leothelyon · March 9, 2003 2:52AM

Even if they did add a PQ designation to their slab wouldn't you still feel the need to look at the coin anyway and get your own opinion of the coin? The designation would give you something else to
raise questions concerning grading standards. And an answer to linier coins. lol

Leo

TAP444 · March 9, 2003 3:38AM

Only if it was very cheap , like the $5 reslab fee, but not for the normal $30
grading fee, then it could become a nice income source for PCGS
and we all know they would instantly go up in price,
and would a star coin ct more in the registry????
Tim

KlectorKid · March 9, 2003 3:48AM

No, leave it up to the buyer to decide if it does really have great eye appeal.

michael · March 9, 2003 4:51PM

i like the star............................ good idea!!!!!!! but ..................

i can see there is much confusion over the star grade from ngc!
only ngc is doing this designation not pcgs!

then someone here says it costs 30 dollars that is not true
any coin sent in for grading is automatically looked at for the star while in for grading and if you already have an ngc slabbed coin you can send it into ngc for a 10 dollar fee for designation review for the star

the someone says something about pq as it pertains to the star. this is not true the star designation has nothing to do at allwith the grade! only in terms of eye appeal the coin could be low end or high end for the grade

i think that to be able to post an informed opinion on this topic it would help to get all the facts instead of making general assumptions thst usually turn out to be untrue

now for me i understand you buy the coin not the holder

but i love the star maybe for white coins or for modern coins it is neutral at best as many modern coins have exceptional eye appeal just because of their manufacturing process and being new and craed for in todays modern technology and packaging environment so for modern coins the star maybe is neutral?

for me exceptional toned and superb gem mintstate/proof coins that are say for example seated material and early commems the star means lots more! ditto for blast white exceptional ultra/deep cameo proof pre 1915 coins

especially so if it is a monster

yes you have to examine the coin not the holder but if it is exceptional-really much so it is a neat thing to be reconized by the star

but again if it is a REAL exceptional/monster toned coin and also superb gem and like say an older oblsete series or an early monster toned commem where the color/toning is a huge deciding factor for most all of the serious collectors who understand this then for me it is a good thing and a good learning tool for the beginning casual collector.

for me within my speciality a monster booming lustre and/or pl coin with exceptinoal/monster toning in ms 67 68 lets say seated coin where the overall eye appeal is super great and really monster and is not seen or usually does not come this way like a one in a million coin and is agreed apon that the coin is really super special then the star by ngc for a neat coin cant hurt!

i think for me if a star coin is the real deal and a bag of chips! and is a superb gem and exceptionally moneter toned then with the star for the coin it is great on the holder! just like an oscar or gold olympic medal yes i am sure there are many movies and athletes that are great but only a few can earn their star so to speak!

so................. as defined by the above parameters and if used as per the above then i think the star designation is really great ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, really great

but as always collect what you like and like what you collect

sincerely michael

dorkkarl · March 9, 2003 8:51PM

i thought all coins in pcgs plastic had exceptional eye appeal. you mean they don't???

K S

michael · March 11, 2003 4:19PM

only ngc has the stsr designstion

sincerely michael

Baley · March 11, 2003 4:28PM

hisincerely michael yes ithink the stardesignation for superioreyeappeal is great too and that pcgs shouldprobably start using not a star but for those really special wow coins that have it they should start using the designations Full Strike (FS not full steps but full strike get rid of all the fh and fbl crap and for all coins just say FS if the strike is full) also Full Luster (FL) if the coin has booming crunchy frosty coruscating luster, and call it OS (Original Surfaces) if the coin has its original thick skin it grew over the years and no one has ever stripped it off, you can just tell real originality when you see it wow i think they should put that on the slab it its there, also, NC designation for Natural (looking) Color if the color is really nice and natural looking, naturally it would be best to have all of these designators, wow if a coin had them all that would really be something but thats JMHO. yours baley

michael · March 11, 2003 4:39PM

wow baley

after that sincere kind post

i must say you certainly have been really mean spirited towards me in more than one post

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i guess all i can say is i hope that someone doesnot ever do the same towards to you! when they post something sincerely as it appears to them without denegrating anyone

i am wondering why you atre doing this? maybe you could let me know what grudge you hold against me?

have i ever done anything personally against you for this kind of scarsism? let me know if so i could rectify the situation as for me i try to be a fair minded reasonable person

sincerely michael

Baley · March 11, 2003 4:41PM

sincerely michael this is the second time you thought i was sarcastic but both times i was sincerely agreeing wiht you i dont know why you think it is sarcastic not sincere?

michael · March 11, 2003 4:43PM

i was also wondering as per my above post could someone please fill me in on why baley is really scarastic to me? maybe i did something to him/her?

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

just seems mean spirited and unwarrented to me?

these boards i must admit have not gotten better thruogh the years i have been on here

sincerely michael

wallstreetman · March 11, 2003 4:53PM

No, leave that crap to the sub par services!

should pcgs offer an exceptional eye appeal designation like ngc star?

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