Anybody over here want Bust Halves in the Registry???

DIMEMAN

Did not get a single responce over on the Registry Forum.

Just curious.

Jon

Baley

Serious collectors of bust halves usually do so by die variety, not grade points, and the coins are often circulated, and not encapsulated. I myself would not be interested in competing for rank, but thanks though.

EVillageProwler

What Baley said.

EVP

dorkkarl

in the words of queen (bohemian rhapsody)

NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! NO!

K S

Russ

I disagree.

Russ, NCNE

DIMEMAN

I wasn't thinking high grade. Maybe xf to au55 for a year set only.

Jon

RotatedRainbows

The fact you did not get one response should tell you a lot, 99% of Bustie collectors probably would never consider the registry since it was created to help sell common modern coins.

DIMEMAN

RR,

I disagree, the Registry does have some modern sets, but there is a lot more classic including Bust Dollars I believe.

Jon

dorkkarl

hey russ,

seriously, dimeman, open-collar coins such as bust halves, they are just far to individualized to be likely candidates for "registry sets", which requires stringent grading standards. ie, registry sets work great for coins that are "generic" (no, i do not mean this in a demeaning way), where 1 wash. quarter in ms-65+ looks pretty much like the next in ms-65+. factors such as strike, post-mint effects, etc, just don't come into play near as much as it does for the early stuff.

if you have a au-55 mercury dime, it is almost no quesiton going to be "worse" than ms-61. not so w/ bust coins. it is quite possible that au-55, in terms of real desiribility, is better than a ms-61, yet the slabed grade is on the technical basis only.

there are just far too many "intangibles" w/ bust coinage for it to easily be categorized in a registry set.

other factors to consider:

w/out question, the finest bust halves have never been slabed. several of the bhnc collections date back 50 years or more, & the owners (thankfully) have no interest whatsoever in slabs. there are so many varieties (about 300) to collect, yet numerous of the r7+'s are not available, & won't be literallky until those old bhnc guys pass away. the list goes on & on.

give the raw coins a chance, let the historic coins stand on their own merits. don't be afraid of a "cleaned" bust half - it's just the way it is! in 200 years, by golly, some of 'em got cleaned!

most of all ..... enjoy.

K S

keets

hey karl

it doesn't happen often enough to let it pass.........we are almost of a singular mind on this topic!!!!!! even down to the point of most all bust half dollars being cleaned at one point or another. fascinating coins.

al h.

DIMEMAN

K s,

In some ways I see your point. I was not trying to make it a grade point thing and try to get high grade coins to be number 1. I haven't got the funds to compete with the big boys. I just like to use the Registry so that others with similiar interest can see what I have and I can see what they have. I would love to see lower grade collections in the Registry in a lot of sets. I plan on entering my Barber Dime set soon. It won't be a challange to the top guys as my set is au50 to ms64, which is not easy to do. My Seated and Bust Dime sets will be the same.
My Bust Dime set is out there now and has some vg to vf coins in it. Not everyone can collect everything in 66 or better. And I in no way critize those who can.

As far as slabs go. I just like the protection and easier resale possibilities.

JMHO, Jon

EVillageProwler

As far as slabs go. I just like the protection and easier resale possibilities.

Jon,

There's nothing wrong with utilizing slabs for their positive aspects. As far as the registry is concerned, however, I think Karl is correct in noting that way too many of the "top" Bust collections will never see an online registry or even be slabbed.

Please understand that "top" doesn't necessarily mean high-grade. Russ Logan had a "top" set of Capped Bust halves, and nearly all were circs.

However you choose to collect, I wish you much joy in your pursuit!

Regards,

EVP

dorkkarl

<< <i>I was not trying to make it a grade point thing and try to get high grade coins to be number 1. I haven't got the funds to compete with the big boys. I just like to use the Registry so that others with similiar interest can see what I have and I can see what they have. >>

in this case, you'll get much more enjoyment by joining the bust-half-nut-club. they have a census that lists everyone's collection by variety, etc. the beauty of it is - your own grades are listed.

problem: you need at least 100 different varieties.

i'll tell ya now - slabed coins are severely frowned upon by bhnc members (hint hint ).

i suggest contacting bhnc, get to know 1 of the members, & take a look at their version of the "registry" set. i think you'll be very impressed.



<< <i>As far as slabs go. I just like the protection and easier resale possibilities. >>

i am just not convinced that with bust halves, in fact, bust coins in general, plastic makes them easier to resale. ever seen prices realized from a bhnc auction? i assure you, slabs play NO part in the prices realized.

go after the bust halves, & give the raw coins a real chance. find a dealer who actually knows what the heck he's talking about. if you give the series a chance at collecting it the way it was meant to be collected - i don't think you'll ever look back!

K S

btw, goes w/out saying that i know many of the bhnc guys. only 1 i know personally is actually "rich", the rest of the guys i know, have average resources, as i do. hasn't had much impact on their enjoyment though!

relayer

Sure - they're great coins.

What if somebody actually started to collect them, and even put pictures up in their set? Oh the horror

EVillageProwler

Godammit, Karl!!!

It's people like you who make me go back and forth on the Capped Bust series. I formed a sizable beginning once to a Red Book variety set, only to sell the coins to fund a newp. Now, I don't remember which coin that was -- but I certainly remember the day I got rid of my babies.

I still have some left; they are all raw and will stay that way. But, because of people like you, I am tempted to scratch that itch again! I think I will start collecting Capped Bust halves again -- in nice circ grades and by Overton variety. And, I think I will do the same with the other denominations as well.

EVP

Baley

dammit evp, now you're going to be competing with me for my coins?

well, in the interest of peace and prosperity, here's to all things draped and capped [clink]

EVillageProwler

Baley:

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EVP

dorkkarl

free the bust coins!!!

K S

Nysoto

I recently joined the BHNC, and I concur with Baley, Dorkkarl, EVP. You can still purchase a decent VF bust half for $50-$60, spending more to have it slabbed just does not make sense. Many interesting errors can be found on the lettered edge, with a slab they can be hidden forever.

I have been focusing on the draped bust, heraldic eagle varieties 1801 to 1807. In this series, many of the better coins have been slabbed. I have many high circulated grades in NGC, PCGS, and ANACS, these were already slabbed when purchased. I actually would not mind putting some of them on a registry to share with others, I believe the NCG registry is the only one to allow both NGC and PCGS.

The bottom line is bust half collectors do not want their collections controlled by the whims of a grading service, money spent on grading can be better spend on additional die marriages. I am not against grading services for other series, they certainly have enhanced other areas of numismatics.