I just found something unbeliveable in my collection

rd5425 · February 26, 2003 12:20PM

This is ridiculous, I was bored so I was just looking through some tubes of wheat cents I had stashed away long ago. Anyways, I found a 1910 vdb!!! I know, its crazy. I almost passed it by at first but I looked closer and it definately is one. It is very light but it is definately there. The v and the d are somewhat readable but the b is really faded. The coin is in probably vf and is red-brown but it has a couple of rim dings. Just wondering what you guys think about how to get this certified and is this considered a variety or a mint error. Just want to hear your thoughts, Thanks

MadMarty · February 26, 2003 12:28PM

I would send it in to ANACS.

SemperFI · February 26, 2003 12:31PM

Cool! Are you able to make a scan of it so we can see it too?

-matt

MrLee · February 26, 2003 12:32PM

Is this on the reverse?

dwood · February 26, 2003 12:33PM

Can you post a pic?

mbbiker · February 26, 2003 12:34PM

PLEASE post a pic it would be really nice to see a pic.

rd5425 · February 26, 2003 12:35PM

yes it is on the reverse, I have only heard of a few others being minted, I know they are very uncommon does anybody know estimated mintages?

dwood · February 26, 2003 12:37PM

I don't think mintages have been determined. Isn't this a fairly recent discovery (the 10s with a remnant VDB?) You need to talk with Coppercoins. He'll know as much as anyone.

TomB · February 26, 2003 12:37PM

That is an extremely scarce to rare variety! Good score! Send it to ANACS for authentication. I don't know how many are known but I do know that they are not cheap.

LanLord · February 26, 2003 12:37PM

David Lange makes a referece to this in his text on the Lincoln Cents. It's from partially effaced dies used for the 1909vdb.

cladking · February 26, 2003 12:39PM

There were lots of reverse dies which had the VDB ground off and were
used in '09 and '10. There is some demand for specimens with more
distinct letters, especially for the '10.

rd5425 · February 26, 2003 12:40PM

Yes I will post a pic as soon as I can but I don't know how well it will show up since the vdb is very lite

tjennings · February 26, 2003 12:49PM

I don't see a 1910 VDB in my Redbook. Please educate me. Is this a joke?

Lakesammman · February 26, 2003 12:50PM

Wow...new one on me....would love to see a picture.

mbbiker · February 26, 2003 12:50PM

tjennings no joke it's just to rare to put in the red book.

ANACONDA · February 26, 2003 1:01PM

Congratulations!

I'd be glad to do the photography of it for free, should you ever want me to.

coppercoins · February 26, 2003 1:01PM

Rd5425 - I would like to have the opportunity to photograph that coin if there's any way I could. I have seen a couple of very questionable examples of this anomaly, but have never seen anything convincing. As for the "experts" in the business, the jury is still out. Some say it is, some say it's imagination. I would like to do my level best to get good, convincing photographs of this if it is so because nobody else has been able to do that. I have never seen a convincing photo of one of these.

Let me know if that's possible. I'd like to do a write up on my findings and post it here (along with having it published in a couple of choice places). You'd get credit in all the publications for having sent the coin. PM me if you'd like to do this, and we can exchange details.

stujoe · February 26, 2003 1:12PM

Very cool. I have read of reports of them in Breen although I believe at that time it was unconfirmed reports. From reading coppercoin's post, sounds like they still are. I would love to see pictures.

Shocker · February 26, 2003 1:31PM

PIC PIC PIC... Time to go relook over any 10's that I have.

oldcameoproofsguy · February 26, 2003 1:33PM

Darn, I was hoping to get more information on this variety, but it's not in the Cherrypicker's Guide.

coppercoins · February 26, 2003 1:49PM

oldcameoproofsguy - If you can get a recent edition, take a look under 1910 in Sol Taylor's Standard Guide to the Lincoln Cent. He has correspondence between a collector and Bill Fivas in there regarding (I believe) a 1910 proof with supposed remnants of the VDB. The photo in the book is dark and not convincing because it is (I believe) a photocopy of a photograph, not a typeset photograph. I have seen three or four auctions run on eBay over the past couple of years of these, and the scans/photos show more or less a blob and a rim. Nothing convincing. The only other source I have ever seen with info regarding this issue is in an online group in Yahoo, a member had some coins he thought were and posted pics, but once again - nothing convincing.

What I intend on doing is taking photos of the reported variety (which I take to be officially a mule error since the VDB reverses were for a different year - on a much lower scale, but basically the same thing as the 1959D wheat reverse cent) then using those photos along with photos of a few 1909P VDB cents to run a computer overlay of the area to see if the devices on the 1909VDB match up with the apparent letters on the reverse of the 1910 cent. If there's a match, there's news to be made. If they don't match, there are a couple of other imaging tricks up my sleeve to see if I can force them to show a little better so I can run overlay matches between different 1909P VDB cents and the 1910 cent. I need to first prove that they are all in the same position with the same spread, then I'll know for certain whether what we're talking about is the real deal.

The initials were in the master, so they would all be the same width, same location, same spread - it should make the job easy. They should have been on the galvano, reduced on the Janvier lathe to the master hub, transferred to the master dies, then transferred to the working hubs and working dies for their grand total of a week in production use. We will see. Rd5425 and I have exchanged information and I should have a coin to photo within a couple of weeks...more to come...

cladking · February 26, 2003 2:10PM

Cool. It should prove interesting.

lathmach · February 26, 2003 8:20PM

If genuine, you have indeed a nice find there. It definately needs third party attribution and authentication if you're sure it has the VDB.

Ray

kranky · February 26, 2003 8:29PM

Wow! I hope coppercoins gets a chance to take some photos. This is one of those varieties that has never really been nailed down.

There was a discussion on the board about a 1910 VDB a long time ago - I seem to remember someone saying they saw one at a show and passed it up, but they felt it was genuine.

MacCoin · February 26, 2003 9:15PM

congrads I think ANACS is the place to send it for some certifiction.

nwcs · February 26, 2003 9:46PM

Pretty cool! I have never heard of that variety, but makes me want to see if I have one.

SemperFI · February 27, 2003 12:39AM

Here is an old thread about a 1910 VDB on ebay

Russ · February 27, 2003 12:51AM

Now, THIS is exciting stuff! Looking forward to Coppercoin's analysis.

Russ, NCNE

mbbiker · February 27, 2003 1:10AM

Can't wait to see what coppercoins has to say, maybe history in the making?

airplanenut · February 27, 2003 1:34AM

Amazing find! Just don't clean it

ah · February 27, 2003 1:40AM

A beauty of a find, I might say.

I just found something unbeliveable in my collection

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