NGC to PCGS Crossover..better luck if with star?

scher · February 25, 2003 12:52PM

From what I gather crossovers are just very darned uncommon..seems PCGS just doesnt do em most of the time.but...any better luck crossing if the coin has the NGC with star on the slab?? im told these are top of the grade at NGC..Opinions and experience's please..
Bruce Scher

andy007 · February 25, 2003 12:54PM

the star has nothing to do with top of the grade coins. it designates suberb eye appeal

keithdagen · February 25, 2003 1:44PM

What andy007 said. The star is for exceptional eye appeal and does not indicate that the coin may be PQ for the assigned grade.

michael · February 25, 2003 2:35PM

i have seen more than one major even PNG dealers describe star coins from ngc even in print

at the star coin which means high end for the grade and then implying undergraded and this si not true it only means that the coin all the graders all agreed tthat the coin had excpetional eye appeal

and on the ngc coin site it tells many standards that they use but they also say that it is the most subjective of all their designations also

but usually like 99.5% of the star coins that i have seen and many other respected dealrers i have talked to say the star coins are excpetional eye appealling coins again in maybe not all but in over 99% of the cases!

now also ngc will put a star on an ultra cameo coin but this would mean that the ultra cameo is like a super deep frosty super deep mirrored in other words a really monster deep ultra cameo plus plus coin!

or another example is a coin that is designated cameo but the obverse of the coin is rreally ultra cameo wityh a near miss ultra or just cameo on the reverse hence only the cameo designation but with a star to mean it is supewr close on the reverse for ultra with an ultra obverse but still only cameo but with a star denoting it is super close near miss ultra!

sincerely michael

michael · February 25, 2003 2:43PM

i think that pcgs vs ngc

like the demiliterized zone between north ansd south korea that both really do not hate each other and are just men but one will not let the other cross over the line or therre will be trouble just the way things are

this is like ngc and pcgs both great grading services the standard yes yes

but grading

is an art and not a science

and when you add the business element

and human beings

then pcgs will just not cross the ngc coins for the most part because of these above three things

is that good or bad .................well no

just the way it is it is a business propritiary decsison and that is okie

i mean many people in fact a billion or more from aruond the world want to come to the usa and live well for the most part that will not happen not that we are bad just the way it is

just like crossing ngc to pcgs

sincerely michael

michael · February 25, 2003 2:46PM

but with this holder envey thing

there is one company currently that everyone is obsessed with and that is okie

but just do not work yourself up

if you want a certain services holdered coins then only buy coins in this services holders

as if you do not you will have a helluva time getting other holders coins in this holders service!

there is no such sure thing

some will do it most all do not!

sincerely michael

gmarguli · February 25, 2003 2:54PM

From Heritage (which someone here mentioned owns part of NGC): "The star on the insert indicates an upper-end coin for the grade."

Way too many dealers push this BS. NGC has freely stated that the coin could be low end for the grade. Dealers just ignore the truth so they can call all their coins "shots" and charge obscene prices for them.

As for crossovers, the limited things I've heard on people crossing NGC * slabs is that they seem to cross. Probably because PCGS will only cross the "cream" coins.

Personally, I wouldn't cross most of them. They're worth more money in an NGC * than a PCGS.

Bruce, you wouldn't be looking at buying and hoping to cross that rainbow 1938 to PCGS? If that's what you're going after, good luck. It looks stunning - except for the obverse spot.

lincolnSence · February 25, 2003 3:02PM

Personally, I wouldn't cross most of them. They're worth more money in an NGC * than a PCGS.

Greg - do you mean that the NGC* crossed to a PCGS holder at the same grade (ie: 67* to a 67), or the usual one point drop when it gets in the PCGS holder with regard to its value?

gmarguli · February 25, 2003 3:14PM

Yes, from what I've heard, the coins crossed at the same grade. However, I have only heard of a handful of examples of people crossing NGC * coins. It doesn't seem too popular to cross coins out of NGC * slabs.

relayer · February 25, 2003 3:21PM

Yeah, if you have a * coin while settle for a plain version.

Trust you coin to the slab that wears the Star.

michael · February 25, 2003 3:37PM

for me with regards to the ngc star crossing to pcgs at the same grade greg/gmar relayer and lincoln sence sums it up really very good

i guess it is a personal choice and for me like 6 of one or half a dozen of another

i guess with an ngc star if it looks good to you i would just leave it as is!

but agaion a personal choice

humans like to change their minds and the grasding services ngc pcgs are like hair dressers

they will always have record business as with hair dressers people with black hair want blonde hair and peol,e with sttraight hair want curly hair and people with no hair want the two strands they got
couferred!!...........lol

and remember the sign behind the hairdressors chair

i am a hairdresser not a miracle worker!

so just apply this hairdresser scenerio and the sign behind the hairdressers chair as per the above to the grading services

sincerely michael

IrishMike · February 25, 2003 7:38PM

I think you are leaving money on the table if you cross * coins. Some are selling now for more than their counterparts in other slabs.

tradedollarnut · February 25, 2003 9:49PM

The * was a brilliant marketing move on NGC's part! What better way to differentiate yourself from your competition for top end coins than competing with yourself for those coins? Not only does it stop the flow of eye appealing coins in their holder to PCGS, but it actually reverses the flow a bit! Kudos.

gmarguli · February 26, 2003 2:45AM

Not only does it stop the flow of eye appealing coins in their holder to PCGS, but it actually reverses the flow a bit!

I'll admit, I crossed a few coins from PCGS to NGC hoping for the * designation. Had it not been for this designation, I'd have left the coins alone.

I also sent several coins to NGC that would have normally gone to PCGS because I felt they had a good shot at getting the * designation.

michael · February 26, 2003 3:13AM

i agree with greg and tradedollarnut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sincerely michael

99.5% of star coins are monster special!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

scher · February 26, 2003 5:18AM

thanks for the opinions guys..and greg..how do you always know what im thinking...i guess there is just no guarentee and pcgs is unlikely to cross most anything..you would think they would especially want to holder the top coins around.
bruce scher

tradedollarnut · February 26, 2003 8:20AM

pcgs is unlikely to cross most anything..you would think they would especially want to holder the top coins around.

Ahhhh - the story I could tell........

NGC to PCGS Crossover..better luck if with star?

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