Would PCGS refuse to slab an NCS conserved coin?

Gilbert

Just curious what you may think.

If PCGS was made aware that a submission, encapsulated (and I mean graded) or raw, had been conserved by NCS, do you think their position would be that it cannot be graded and encapsulated by PCGS. In the instance I concerned with removal of toning, PVC or other debris. For example, I have coin that is currently in an NGC MS62PL slab, that I know to be conserved by NCS -- do you think that PCGS would refuse to encapsulate it if I made them aware of that? Should they refuse?

I ask because I think we should know the answer, particularly, if you're inclined to use NCS services. BTW, I THINK I asked HRH on the Q&A forum, but again I forgot to send or keep a copy of the question, and of course, there is NO question of mine on Tuesday's answers.

Russ

Gilbert,

I don't think they would refuse solely on that basis. I'm sure they're aware they've already graded plenty of NCS conserved coins and, in the off chance that they aren't aware: Hey PCGS, you've slabbed a bunch of them for me.

Russ, NCNE

Dog97

Gilbert-
I'm glad you asked what we think rather than what the facts are.
I would like to think they would treat a NCS coin just like any other coin-that being if it isn't damaged then it's acceptable.
You ask: you think that PCGS would refuse to encapsulate it if I made them aware of that?
I don't think I would make them aware of it. Why bias them? PCGS is sposed to be the experts in determining what's good & what's not. Let them decide on the coin's own merits.

darktone

PCGS conserves coins also to some extent so I am sure they would slab coins conserved by NCS if they were not over dipped. mike

gmarguli

NCS does things to coins that aren't supposed to be detectable.

PCGS has a back room where they do this too. They just don't offer it to the public.

MAULUMALL

<< <i>Gilbert-

I don't think I would make them aware of it. Why bias them? PCGS is sposed to be the experts in determining what's good & what's not. Let them decide on the coin's own merits. >>




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DHeath

Let me add my name to the list of customers whos NCS submissions have been slabbed by PCGS. I had one 64 AH with terrible milkspots that were resistant to my efforts, so I submitted it to NCS and they improved it. PCGS then graded it PR64 Cameo, and that was the correct grade. Without the remnants of faint milkspots, it should have done more, based on eye-appeal and quality.

Russ

NCS/PCGS.

Russ, NCNE

gmarguli

Greg, PCGS has admitted for years that they have been doing this, but is it limited to their "big" customers. If an average Joe like myself slipped a note requesting this to be done to a coin, would they comply? Anyone?

Probably not. They have done a few coins for me because they screwed them up (fingerprints, snot). I doubt they would do one for me without a problem they caused. However, it might depend on who you ask there.

SemperFI

Hey Russ,
What was wrong with that Kennedy that you needed to send it to NCS? Just wondering. Looks nice.

Russ

SemperFI,

Heavy haze and some spotting.

Russ, NCNE

Gilbert

Thanks for the responses.

As far as PCGS quasi-conserving, well, there have been times in the past when I received submissions back that I would have sworn were, how shall we say, a bit more "pristine" than when I sent them in, but

You all assured me it was my imagination.

As far as you guys saying they (PCGS) should slab 'em; I hope you're right, but I'll have to try the cross-over route. Why? I just don't like NGCs slab.

DennisH

The "Secret Room In Back" at PCGS didn't do one for me, but they at least took a look at my coin to see if they could/would. Turned out what I had in mind was a bit too risky, so they said "Sorry." I'm grateful they at least considered my request.

BigD5

I think it depends on what was done, and how the end result turned out. If it were a simple dipping, of coure pcgs would/should grade the coin. If some visible signs of a cleaning were left behind, depending on the severity of the "curation" and the series of coin we were talking about, sure the coin should be bagged.

Toadstool1

Conservation and doctoring are differenent names for almost the same thing. Both are attempting to make the coin look better and worth more buy fixing problems one way or another. The only exception might be in a museum environment where there is some historical significance in their doing conservation work on the coin. If you can tell me how the two are really different, not just in theory but in that back room then I would like to hear it. Just think about it, doctoring is just a word that connotates something unethical when used relating to coins but where is the line between the two and is it really there and adhered to in the back rooms.

Albert

Conder101

I won't quite agree with that. Curating (or conservation) and doctoring are not the same thing. True Curating is only done to prevent damage or to keep damage that has already occured from getting worse. Once it steps into the realm of improving the appearance to make an item more marketable then I agree it becomes doctoring. NCS has crossed that line and is now a doctoring service in addition to a curating service.