how many people think bgs ia a scam?

gradeddream · February 18, 2003 1:12PM

i think there whole grading system is a scam. how can they be selling cards on there sight now? its a total conflict of interest. anyone else agree with me?

BECKETTSUCKS · February 18, 2003 3:24PM

I totally have to agree with this post, some of the things Beckett does now borders on illegal.

Here's proof that BGS doesn't grade cards accuratly, they basically just throw them in a slab without even looking at them.

1998 Leaf Rookies and Stars 199 Randy Moss BGS 8 (Error BGS Label 1999 Leaf Rookies and Stars 288 Kurt Warner)
2001 UD Graded Rookie Series Jerseys Graded 47 D.Brees NmMt+ BGS 8.5 (313/100)
2001 UD Graded Rookie Series Jerseys Graded 47 D.Brees NmMt+ BGS 8.5 (317/100)
2001 UD Graded Rookie Series Jerseys Graded 47 D.Brees Mint BGS 9 (326/100)
2001-02 Be A Player Ultimate Memorabilia Autographs 18 Jarome Iginla/40 BGS 9 (Error No Autograph)

According to Beckett the autograph is taken into consideration on the surface grade so for them to miss it tells me (and hopefully others) that they didn't even look at the surface.

Another big thing is they will not add those Brees errors to their list which I think is just wrong. It is a corrected error and should be added even if added without a price. I think the main reason it is not being added is because BGS screwed up.

My other biggest gripe is they print information that simply isnt true. They don't track prices on rare cards yet they still continue to list them. I must say it has gotten better with them not pricing too much under 25 but they have a way to go. I would rather see no price than a made up price.

seth2720 · February 18, 2003 3:28PM

yea it really makes you think about all those times you called people rip offs for having a card like a BGS 8.5 and had a creased corner..maybe they didn't even look at it that well..

TenCentStud · February 18, 2003 10:28PM

I don't follow what the problem is with the Brees cards.

Wankster · February 18, 2003 10:32PM

me neither

gradeddream · February 18, 2003 10:37PM

i feel psa may give gems out more often to there biggest clients & i can live with that. but with bgs selling graded cards on beckett.com is just to much. especially that they are just like *shop @ home* by sayng your guranteed a 8.5 or better. WHAT A SCAM!!!!!!!

Wankster · February 18, 2003 10:43PM

yeah, he's gonna say something stupid like it is supposed to be serial # out of 500 or something

BECKETTSUCKS · February 18, 2003 10:43PM

Look at the serial numbers on the Brees cards. They should beo /500 but they are of /100.

Vincecarder · February 18, 2003 11:46PM

So there's an error on the label? PSA makes errors on labels too. If BGS is a scam then PSA is a scam too. Just think if there was only one major grading company and the rest were crap...where would we be? They would rule the market which would create some of the problems (scams) like when PSA was the all mighty. I don't agree with everything Beckett does but they are here to stay and if you don't like them, don't buy their stuff.

I think having a few good grading companies is a great idea, it keeps everyone on their toes and makes for better competition. If it wasn't for BGS, you would still have to buy a membership at PSA to grade cards.....still don't understand why you have to pay to see the pop report at PSA. I can understand paying for the Priceguide but not the pop report.

BECKETTSUCKS · February 19, 2003 12:00AM

I wasn't so much talking about the label error as much as the ones where the autograph isnt even there yet the card was graded for BAP and then inserted into packs.

I was also referring to the 3 Brees cards with impossible serial numbers. They should be serail numbered of /500 but are serial numbered of /100

Vincecarder · February 19, 2003 12:59AM

So that makes Beckett a scam? It's just mislabelled. You know how many cards have been graded that have the wrong labels? Some guys even try to sell them for a premieum...just check ebay...you will see quite a few PSA error labels out there with some guy trying to say it's rare or something.

That doesn't make it a scam, it's a human error. Somebody just typed in the wrong number. I'm sure if you contact them and send it back it, they will put a new proper label for you.

knicks644 · February 19, 2003 1:04AM

vince rember when you found that psa was grading trim cards?

Smarteeeee · February 19, 2003 1:44AM

This topic always makes me laugh. Beckett, who oh by the way is a company, decides to do a little vertical integration and sell their own graded cards to make more money for themselves and you guys run through the hills screaming "conflict of interest" or "BGS is a scam" or any veritable multitude plethora insults.

Now, please read the following very carefully, as it is an important business and economic virtue:

EVERY manufacturer of a product or provider of a service dictates the value/cost of what their product is worth based on supply and demand of the market. We live in a capitalist society and I think economics should be a required class in high school, as it always amazes me the number of people who lose site of this when making arguments regarding card grading. Beckett grades cards and sells them at what people are willing to pay. PERIOD. They provide a guide that estimates relative values of cards, and that does influence the prices people may or may not pay, BUT it is still the market at work. When nobody wants to pay a price for a card, the value goes down. When everyone is buying the crap out of something (like Vick) the price goes up. That was Econ 101 when I went to college back in the day.

Additionally, a conflict of interest implies a fiduciary duty/obligation on behalf of one entity to another, like doctor-patient, attorney-client, etc. Beckett is a company and their selling their own product is hardly a conflict of interest. If it were, there would be a conflict of interest every time you go into the grocery store and see the generic "store" brand on the shelf that is cheaper than the name brand, or a million other scenarios were companies sell their own products/services.

And on one last issue, what do you expect from Beckett--100% perfection? Airplanes crash, tires blow out and oh by the way Beckett makes mistakes. Out of the millions of cards they grade you can point to some errors, where humans who conduct the grading fell asleep at the wheel. To me, it is much more egregious that PSA has given kickbacks to their high volume customers with more favorable grades and graded trimmed cards. These are INTENTIONAL and if you do not understand why that is more egregious than the mislabeling of cards or grading mistakes you need some clinical help.

Chuck

BECKETTSUCKS · February 19, 2003 1:45AM

Dude what did I just say about the label? Did you not just read what I posted twice now?

Moron

diamantedude · February 19, 2003 2:53AM

BGS lost me when they went to BVG and BCCG. I don't even know the difference anymore. Although I'm not the biggest fan of PSA, I am a member of their club (hey, cheaper PSA grading rates add up if you have a lot), I will stick by them for the time being.

gradeddream · February 19, 2003 3:04AM

if you don't think beckett is a scam then your a fool. they try to influence the market by giving a lebon james sage a pristine 10 grade so you buy the sets from there sight. please..........there done in my book.

how many people think bgs ia a scam?

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