Dare I start a non-Ebay, non-A.T. thread? UPDATED

coinguy1 · February 16, 2003 1:41AM

For those who just like to view and discuss pretty coins, I serve up these non-Ebay, non-A.T. , golden items :

JMOORE · February 16, 2003 1:42AM

Those are all the same coin

KlectorKid · February 16, 2003 1:44AM

Great mirrors on the 2nd one! Please enter me in your genrous give-away.

coinguy1 · February 16, 2003 1:45AM

Jim, why did you have to let the cat out of the bag so quickly? ! You spoiled all my fun.

EVillageProwler · February 16, 2003 1:45AM

They've all been doctored to look the same, or is that similar? BTW, is a BIN the same as a done deal? And, are they modern counterfeits of classical material? Which is better, toned gold or blast white gold? (Duh, gold is gold!)

Finally, are they slabbed by PCGS, NGC or ACG?

EVP

ms71 · February 16, 2003 1:48AM

No, wait, they aren't the same!!!!! Pay particular attention to the second "8" on #2. Then look at #1 again. There isn't a second "8" in the date. Maybe not conclusive, but I'm convinced. I think.

Drool...................................

ARCO · February 16, 2003 1:49AM

A beautiful sight for sore eyes!! Excellent gold pieces. Seems so many have excessive marks due to the softness of the metal. Coins to be proud of!

Tyler

LanLord · February 16, 2003 1:50AM

causin trouble eh?

sinin1 · February 16, 2003 1:51AM

Coinguy1 are you trying to sell us your beautiful inventory or are these from your personal collection

Are these legit coins, or is there a scandel lurking in their past? Come on give us a cool story about them.

DHeath · February 16, 2003 1:52AM

Thank's Mark.

I love the detail on the double eagle. It is such a complicated design. I also love the orange splash on the half eagle neck. I also hope you'll put up an eagle circa 1800 sometime. It is my favorite coin design, and is rarely seen.

dddangerousdan · February 16, 2003 2:33AM

How DARE you have a thread without slamming someones auction. I don't want to see you doing this one more time (3 or 4 times yes but not one)

Great pics

DAN

cosmicdebris · February 16, 2003 2:35AM

Nice coins Mark. How about some pictures of early Amercain Eagles like say from 1795?

TomB · February 16, 2003 2:43AM

You may get hanged for starting a thread like this! Before we do hang you, however, I would like to claim the first coin as your parting gift to me.

Thanks!

Russ · February 16, 2003 5:20AM

Bump.

Russ, NCNE

jom · February 16, 2003 5:28AM

A truly boring and repetitive thread! Oh..and ugly gold coins too. What could be worse than that?

jom

nwcs · February 16, 2003 6:45AM

Beautiful coins, Mark. I love looking at gold. I have a collector oriented question to a dealer oriented guy (or gal if Legend wants to reply). Do you have any suggestions or strategies for how a guy who cannot shell out 4 digits for coins can build a gold coin collection (non GAEs). Would you say focus on a particular series, date, or what recommendations would you give? If you think this is something that should be PM'd instead, that's fine with me.

Thanks,

Neil

Baley · February 16, 2003 7:36AM

Neil, why not start with a type set of coins like the ones Mark has posted, except shoot for AU58's?

almost as beautiful, and a whole lot less expensive, seems like a great value.

agfox · February 16, 2003 8:01AM

Beauts Mark, that 1883 $5 is drool worthy.

How about another little lesson on one or two?

coinguy1 · February 16, 2003 8:03AM

Neil, you asked:

<< <i>Do you have any suggestions or strategies for how a guy who cannot shell out 4 digits for coins can build a gold coin collection (non GAEs). Would you say focus on a particular series, date, or what recommendations would you give? If you think this is something that should be PM'd instead, that's fine with me >>

I almost always prefer variety to a group of coins of the same type/design. For less than $1000 each, you could probably buy: MS63 Type l and lll gold dollars, an AU Classic Head $2.50, MS64 Liberty and Indian $2.50's, an AU $3, an AU Classic Head $5, an MS64 $5 Liberty, an MS63 $5 Indian, MS64 Liberty and Indian $10's, an MS63 $20 Liberty and an MS65 St. Gaudens $20.

As always, I recommend that you diversify, don't spend $ that you might need in a year or two, buy what YOU like and keep in mind that values/prices may increase or decrease.

nwcs · February 16, 2003 11:21AM

Some good ideas, guys. I'm one of those fence-sitters on AU-58. The grade I love to hate.

Only 'cause I have several... sigh.

I'm guessing only buy certified gold. Would you all say that NGC and PCGS grade gold fairly equivalently? (yes, I know, grade myself, but I am not an expert in all series and would like to lean towards the service that handles it better)

Neil

oldcameoproofsguy · February 16, 2003 11:58AM

I own no gold coins, but I can honestly say that this thread has made me want to go out a purchase a nice one or two.

That 1883 is a beautiful cameo with some really deep looking mirrors. I wish I could afford one like it.

michael · February 16, 2003 1:34PM

superb! i like the proof ten the best! as i think they are the most uncommon and undervalued of the proof gold!

but i also like the proof 5 dollar eye appeal!!!!!!!!!!!! well i do like the twenty and the early gold piece also!!!!!!

sincerely michael

eagle7 · February 16, 2003 2:05PM

I would go hungry for both of those 1903 examples, the proof and the double eagle!

zenny · February 16, 2003 3:31PM

Thanks Mark, lovely little quartet there. That double eagle is kind of shouting at me. Wait a minute, so's the half eagle. Oh, i think i hear the eagle.... oh you get the picture.

I also enjoyed the connecticut commems. I am quite a fan of toned commems and to tell you the truth it really has to be a nasty dog for me to dislike. I found neither of them to be nasty dogs, although i think i would have liked obv. 1 paired, however improbable as it may have been, with rev. 2.

z

coinguy1 · February 16, 2003 10:41PM

A few comments about the four coins imaged:

The 1834 $2.50 was the first year of a new design, without the motto "E PLURIBUS UNUM," which had previously appeared within a ribbon, above the eagle, on the reverse of $2.50 gold pieces. The change was made because the bullion value of gold coins was greater than face value at the time and bullion dealers were having them melted in huge quantities. It was therefore decided, to lower the official weight and fineness of the $2.50 and $5.00 pieces. The change in design was intended to make for easy identification of these modifications.

The 1883 $5 is an astounding piece from the Bass collection, graded PR67 by PCGS. It was certified before NGC and PCGS began using the "Cameo" designation, but is a most obvious cameo. It is also one of only five PR67 $5 Liberty's (of any date) certified by PCGS. Its mintage was all of 61 pieces!

The 1903 Proof $10 is a good example of a proof coin with some cameo contrast, but not over enough of the coin to make the "Cameo" designation. The reverse contrast is all there - that is not the problem. The obverse features some contrast on the stars and the upper hair of Ms. Liberty, but not on her portrait, however. Compare the frosting on this coin against that of the $5 piece above it and you will see a marked difference.

The 1903-S $20 is just a nice, very clean example for its type, albeit a scarcer issue, with a combined NGC and PCGS MS65 population of less than two dozen. Compare that to a population of more than 5000 for the 1904!

dorkkarl · February 17, 2003 12:15AM

dude, that classic-head KICKS _ _ _!!!

K S

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