Damaged when slabbed?

Dhjacks · February 12, 2003 2:55AM

I received both of these cards back in the same submission. I am certain that 1) I didn't submit these cards with these problems.
2) They wouldn't grade PSA 8 (Maravich) and
PSA 7 (Munson) with these defects.
Granted, neither is particularly valuable, but I feel like PSA must have damaged when slabbing. I'm not slamming PSA because I haven't even contacted them about this, but have any of you had a situation like this....and what would you do? I can't sell them like this, so they are pretty much worthless now. DonMaravich PSA 8 Munson PSA 7

Dhjacks · February 12, 2003 2:57AM

Sorry, bad links. I'll figure out the link thing in a minute.

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BugOnTheRug · February 12, 2003 4:37AM

I can only wait around for 2 to 3 more days. Can you hurry it up?

BOTR

waitilltheytrytosell · February 12, 2003 5:03AM

Log in. Create or edit your message. At the bottom hit the button - Attach file. Hit browse and select/find the less than 50k picture file(.jpg .bmp .gif) that you have stored on your hard disk. Hit upload to send it to CU. Select the file you just uploaded and then hit the attach file in that window. Try doing just one first.

Dhjacks · February 12, 2003 5:11AM

Man, I hope this works...Thx for your patience

Dhjacks · February 12, 2003 5:14AM

The file was too big. I'll have to figure something else out. Thank you again. Uggh.

JeffVN · February 12, 2003 6:06AM

I feel your pain. S-L-O-W-L-Y

spacktrack · February 12, 2003 11:39AM

Without seeing your pictures or knowing what exactly the damage was, I will share my recent grading issue. Among my order of 51 cards were several cards from 1999 and 2001 Bowman baseball. With them being modern cards, I am not very forgiving when it comes to possible defects, so I scan them repeatedly, don't send in cards with white specs on black borders, and so on. In my last order was an Odalis Perez rookie card. I packaged this card, and my others, by PSA guidelines: inside penny sleeve and CardSaver I. When my grades hit the online status check, I was very surprised to see that the card was graded PSA 6. I just got my cards back on Monday and took each one out to check for the finger prints and scratches that seem to be plaguing a bunch of recent orders. When I got to the Perez, I noticed that the upper lefthand corner of the card had been dinged. Knowing that I would not have sent it in like this, I am led to believe that it occured during grading. All my other cards graded as expected with maybe a few exceptions, but none had the corner problem like this one. I can overlook this particular card and just be thankful that it wasn't a higher value card. I am out the $5 fee for that card as it is now even more worthless than before, but I was very pleased with the turnaround on the grades and the fast shipping I received from PSA. This one thing won't change my opinion on the company at all.

spacktrack

Dhjacks · February 12, 2003 12:35PM

I shrunk it. Hoping it's there...

Dhjacks · February 12, 2003 12:37PM

now?

Dhjacks · February 12, 2003 12:40PM

Hey, thanks for your patience. Sheeeesh.
And....

spacktrack · February 12, 2003 12:46PM

Tough break. Seeing that you got grades of 7 and 8 would lead one to believe that the cards were damaged after being graded. Could you pull grades like that with those defects? Not sure exactly, but again, a tough mistake to take.

spacktrack

JeffVN · February 12, 2003 10:12PM

I agree that the damage must have happened after grading and before slabbing or during the slabbiong process. With damage like that, those cards grade no higher than 3s or 4s. As a result, your cards have been devalued by a significant amount. suring the grading and slabbing process.

Personally, I would give Mr. Orlando a call, explain the problem, and send him the bigger scans of your cards. Its pretty clear that PSA is responsible for the damage to the cards and, in my opinion, you can't really sell them in their current condition. (Anyone that sees them will know they are grossly over-graded) He/PSA carries insurance for this type of contingency and a rational discussion should be able to resolve the situation.

boggs301012 · February 12, 2003 10:54PM

https://us.v-cdn.net/6027503/uploads/oldattachments/1979 Beckett 105.jpg

I share your pain I had a 1997 Bowman come back with a ding. I sent it back with others that had various problems.

James

boggs301012 · February 12, 2003 10:56PM

waitilltheytrytosell · February 12, 2003 11:00PM

I don't buy this story. What are the cert numbers?

boggs301012 · February 12, 2003 11:19PM

Waitil ,

Take off the Rose Colored glasses it happens, I just sent back some with damage. I must admit I didnt scan it...why I sent it back to Charlie.

waitilltheytrytosell · February 13, 2003 12:13AM

Right. Damage can happen. The damage in the scan is quite different than the damage you see in a "normal" damaged card. That's all.

downgoesfrazier · February 13, 2003 12:41AM

Three submissions ago I had six cards on one invoice all come back with corner touches on the lower left. I never submit cards with visible corner wear to the naked eye...never. I even clip the corners of my penny's to ensure clean corners before putting them in CS1's. I just ate those...still irritated. As for other cards that have been damaged...I've had three on different invoices--Most recently a '77 Larry Gura, I'll edit in an invoice # later as I can't remember it off hand--(4032413) anyway, PSA has made good on all of those and then some with free submissions. They have paid at least SMR in submissions for each and every card. I think it happens more than it should, but they've been very fair with me in resolving it. If you approach it correctly and don't just call up screaming "you people suck!", you'll find them to be quite helpful.

Dhjacks · February 13, 2003 1:05AM

Like I said, I'm not trying to be critical since PSA probably will do the right thing about this. I was just curious if anyone had experienced this before and knew what 'the right thing' would look like. Thx. Don
This should show the cert number...

1954 · February 13, 2003 1:16AM

In the two examples you have shown, I personally don't believe that PSa did this. It almost looks as if they were dropped in transit. One the other hand, having this type of corner does not warrant a PSA 8 either. Why would PSA give it an 8 looking like that?????

1954

Basilone · February 13, 2003 1:49AM

The good news is that we do not hear about these type of stories too often! No doubt a nightmare situation for all involved.

John

mikeschmidt · February 13, 2003 1:58AM

You can always trim off the damaged corner, straighten out the top edge, and resubmit for a PRO 10. Why bother with PSA 8's in the first place, when you can have a shorter, but GEM MINT card.

waitilltheytrytosell · February 13, 2003 2:35AM

I would definitely get in contact with somebody at PSA about returning those two cards to them. I would also take a closer look at the other cards in the batch that these came from to make sure their isn't anything with less obvious problems. There's no way the graders missed those defects. Something quite unusual must have happened between grading and sealing. One other possibility is that perhaps this card was switched with another card on your invoice that got a lower grade. The serial numbers around the card you pictured show more examples of the same card. You might have an 8 quality card sitting in one of your lower grade holders.

acowa · February 13, 2003 3:10AM

I am a little shocked at some of your reactions...is it really that unbelieveable??

<In the two examples you have shown, I personally don't believe that PSa did this.>

<I don't buy this story. What are the cert numbers?>

Since when did we start shooting the messenger? Suggestions that this guy is making this stuff up (calling him a liar basically) is bad IMHO. This type of behavior will get people to stop sharing their experiences.

Regards,

Alan

Yzerman19C · February 13, 2003 3:34AM

Ive had a few occasions where the card has been damaged between when it was graded and when it was sealed.

1) A had the corner of a condition sensitive set turned up during sealing. (last May)
2) I had a finger nail indent on 2 cards (happened in 2001)
3) and finally this past January i had the back of a corner turned up during sealing of the card.

So im guess im saying it happens and i have no reason not to believe the original post. all it takes for someone to be sealing cards all day long to get lazy or careless

Randy

1954 · February 13, 2003 3:57AM

Alan,
I am in no way trying to say that I don't believe him. Everyone is quick to be so hateful on this board it makes me sick. By the look of the damage done to both cards it appears to me that they were dropped. Either by PSA or the U.S. Mail. If you read closely to my remarks I said that why would PSa give it a PSA 8 looking like that? It is really sad when a good thread is started and comments like this are thrown in.

1954

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