Bluuuuuuuuuuu Jeffersons

FC57Coins · February 11, 2003 7:59AM

I know nothing about the premium that Blue Toned Proof Jeffs are bringing these days (if any). The coin pictured below is a perfectly cobalt-blue Jeff (1960) in a PCGS PR67 holder - can anyone tell me what kind of value some such animal might have?

Thanks!

Frank

LucyBop · February 11, 2003 8:01AM

Pretty....

littlewicher · February 11, 2003 8:02AM

I'm not familiar with the market, but others who are, say there is just a slight premium on them, because they aren't too rare.

dwood · February 11, 2003 8:02AM

I'll give you $10 and pay shipping

In all seriousness, that coin has a $17 retail. I'd be shocked if it closed on eBay at less than $60.

baccaruda may have a better guage, and Russ for sure.

littlewicher was right, until about 6 weeks ago. Its gone crazy since then.

Morganluver · February 11, 2003 8:03AM

I've seen a number of high grade wildly toned(and I mean wild) proof Jeffs in ANACS holders and the guy was asking between $400-$750 for them. The colors were SO vivid that they just didn't look real. I passed.

andy007 · February 11, 2003 8:05AM

I pay between $1-$3 for the solid blue and purple Jeffersons from the 60-64 proof sets. There are tons of them out there.

littlewicher · February 11, 2003 8:08AM

My all time favorite toned proof jefferson nickel is this: link The coin is just awesome. I don't want this to turn in to an AT debate, but hey, either way, the coin is cool looking!

dwood · February 11, 2003 8:12AM

That one is a beauty, and is the culprit for my cluttering the board with "Stupid Color" posts, and buying every Jeff I can find that looks like it was spit on at some point or other

FC57Coins · February 11, 2003 8:16AM

David - I'd love to find a nice set of toned War Time Jeffs - one of the things I'll be hunting for this weekend at Pelham

Russ · February 11, 2003 8:22AM

If these are grading in the 65 to 67 range, they're really isn't a lot of difference between what they bring raw and what they bring slabbed. Raw, for the very strong ones, in the $15 range, same coin might bring $25 in a holder. In 68 and higher, the numbers start getting stronger. I've seen some blues in higher graded slabbed bring $75 to $80.

Baccaruda has some that are just flat-out yummy, a couple of which are stunning rainbows. Hopefully, he'll post some pics.

Russ, NCNE

dwood · February 11, 2003 8:26AM

We definitely need to walk a few tables together. I have a feeling we're both going to be looking for much of the same stuff, and I've always heard "two heads are better than one."

Or as Dad used to say..."Son, the best of both worlds is when you look stupid....but you aren't."

I've had half of that equation covered since birth

andy007 · February 11, 2003 8:39AM

Russ, are you serious? $15 for a single ? What area of the country do you live? I have a solid roll of 64's that wouldn't even sell for $12 to dealers upon several attempts and I buy 2 or 3 examples at every show I go to for a buck or two a pop. There are thousands of these blue and purple 60-64 proof Jeffersons out there, they are pretty, but not worth the prices that Tomaska and others are asking IMO. Sure the saying, price is in the eyes of the beholder, but these are not bag toned Morgans that are at least somewhat unique from coin to coin, there are thousands of these coins out there.

Russ · February 11, 2003 8:41AM

<< Russ, are you serious? $15 for a single ? What area of the country do you live? >>

eBay.

Russ, NCNE

andy007 · February 11, 2003 9:00AM

I don't consider Ebay a collectors pricing guide, especially with raw coins, but from my experiences, I have yet to meet a dealer who sold these for over $3.

dwood · February 11, 2003 9:04AM

I can tell you one thing:
The prices have definitely been rising over the past 2 months.

And it probably isn't a coincidence that that's about the time I took an interest in them...of course

baccaruda · February 11, 2003 9:15AM

LucyBop · February 11, 2003 9:16AM

cudda, impressive coloring in that image.....

Russ · February 11, 2003 9:18AM

<< I don't consider Ebay a collectors pricing guide >>

It's certainly a more accurate reflection of the market than most other guides. It's real time sales, with real time competition from collectors.

<< I have yet to meet a dealer who sold these for over $3. >>

Nor have I, so I buy them from these dealers and sell them for five times what I paid. Gotta love the free market.

Russ, NCNE

baccaruda · February 11, 2003 9:18AM

Frank,

If you're really good with a camera you can get more for them. A nice clean one with good toning can sell for maybe $6. I recently bought some entire rolls of them which I was rather unhappy with. I could only sell 1-3 per roll with a clear conscience - and only 2 went into my own stash (out of 8 rolls). I think they're awesome though.

baccaruda · February 11, 2003 9:19AM

Lucy I wish I could take credit for that shot but Russ is the man.

baccaruda · February 11, 2003 9:23AM

Russ · February 11, 2003 9:24AM

baccaruda,

I don't know about anybody else, but all I'm seeing is a banner that says "sorry".

Russ, NCNE

BSqr · February 11, 2003 9:26AM

oh man, I like that one

andy007 · February 11, 2003 9:32AM

Russ, your own statement confirms my quip about Ebay not being a source for collector price guide. I'm talking about collector to dealer transactions and dealer to dealer transactions, not an amateur market guided by whomever takes a whim of bidding on a purple coin or buy an NTC or ACG slabbed coin.

Russ · February 11, 2003 9:42AM

Andy,

To use your own analogy involving toned Morgans, a "price guide" by your definition might say that an MS65 common date is worth $50. Yet that same date with monster rainbow toning might bring ten times that much in the market. Is that price realized not valid because it sold in an auction venue and isn't what the "guide" said?

The marketplace is the final arbiter of value, not some sheet produced by the dealer community. It very well might be that said guide is behind the curve on the value of these coins. It wouldn't be the first time.

Russ, NCNE

baccaruda · February 11, 2003 9:42AM

are the images showing now? i'm not sure if imagestation lets you link to them - they show up on mine.

Russ · February 11, 2003 9:49AM

baccaruda,

Image Station does prevent remote linking. But, if one pastes the URL in to the address bar they can be accessed. I did that, and now they show up for me here because they're in cache.

Russ, NCNE

baccaruda · February 11, 2003 9:52AM

oh well, here's a link if you wanna check em out: you may have to log in or sign up

Jeffs

andy007 · February 11, 2003 9:55AM

I thought my point on the toned morgans was that they are quite unique, and not available in the same look as thousands of the blue and purple toned Jeffersons from 1960-1964 proof sets, but maybe your right on my thoughts. When you find some PCGS, NGC, or ANACS slabbed Morgans for $50, sell them to me for a quick profit, please.

Russ · February 11, 2003 9:58AM

Andy,

There are also thousands of toned Morgans. The difference is marketplace demand.

Russ, NCNE

mnmcoin · February 11, 2003 10:43AM

This one is my baby...I really don't care to sell it, hence the price, I must have taken hundreds of pictures of it, and still can't quite capture the "stupidity" of it color. This one seems to come close. The funny thing about it is the coin is a solid Deep Cameo, but the PR66 grade. Which I can't understand the PR66 grade, the coin is basically flawless with even tone, not splotchy at all.

1963 Proof Mint Candy Jefferson

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PALSCOINS · February 12, 2003 3:03AM

PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK.....BLUE JEFFERSON NICKELS SELL FOR A FEW DOLLARS A PIECE TOPS.
PEOPLE TRYING TO SELL THEM FOR $15.00 EACH.....I'D BE CAREFUL OF!
PALSCOINS

baccaruda · February 12, 2003 3:18AM

palscoins -

wow do i see that name alot competing with me for jefferson proofs - toned or otherwise.

baccaruda · February 12, 2003 3:19AM

you know we do have a "no compete" policy on Ebay here amongst board members. whoever has the highest post count is given "honors".

PALSCOINS · February 12, 2003 3:26AM

I'VE NEVER BID ON A TONED JEFFERSON NICKEL IN MY LIFE.....YOUR SADLY MISTKEN.
PALSCOINS

Russ · February 12, 2003 3:31AM

PALSCOINS,

Your keyboard appears to be broken. They're pretty cheap nowadays.

Russ, NCNE

baccaruda · February 12, 2003 3:32AM

you're right - it was the SMS rolls. maybe i'm thinking of CAGSR.

PALSCOINS · February 12, 2003 3:32AM

BARRACUDA, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN:
you know we do have a "no compete" policy on Ebay here amongst board members. whoever has the highest post count is given "honors".

OBVIOUSLY..I'M NEW, ON THIS BOARD.....WHAT KIND OF HONORS DO YOU MEAN.
AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN "NO COMPETE POLICY?
THANKS.

agfox · February 12, 2003 3:33AM

Thems some real nice jeffs there cuda..

baccaruda · February 12, 2003 3:34AM

thanks AG, photos compliments of our man Russ.

Russ · February 12, 2003 3:36AM

<< I'VE NEVER BID ON A TONED JEFFERSON NICKEL IN MY LIFE.....YOUR SADLY MISTKEN. >>

I guess this is a different "PALSCOINS"?

Russ, NCNE

baccaruda · February 12, 2003 3:37AM

i'm just kidding paul, jeez.

i'm sensing a little negativity. i don't think anyone's selling em for $15 each. Russ started his auction at 25¢ each i believe.

there's one guy on ebay who lists bunches of them over and over for $20-$30 each. i think i've seen him sell 1 so far.

they look cool tho, right?

PALSCOINS · February 12, 2003 3:37AM

RUSS,
Thanks for pointing that out to me.
Sorry about the caps.
I hope you're being kind and not rude?
Palscoins

FC57Coins · February 12, 2003 3:38AM

<< I guess this is a different "PALSCOINS"? >>

Yeah - the one on ebay has a keyboard that works

BNE · February 12, 2003 3:41AM

Well someone's MISTKEN.

baccaruda · February 12, 2003 3:41AM

LOL. good find russ. he probably didn't like that roll.

Russ · February 12, 2003 3:42AM

<< I hope you're being kind and not rude? >>

Palscoins,

I'm being just as kind as you were when you opened with:

<< PLEASE GIVE ME A BREAK.....BLUE JEFFERSON NICKELS SELL FOR A FEW DOLLARS A PIECE TOPS.
PEOPLE TRYING TO SELL THEM FOR $15.00 EACH.....I'D BE CAREFUL OF! >>

BTW, Baccaruda is right. The last auction I ran (four toners) started at $1 for all four. The market decided the final value of better than $15 each.

Russ, NCNE

PALSCOINS · February 12, 2003 3:55AM

I.... in no way..... wished to disrespect anyone about the toned nickels.
They are Beautiful.
Palscoins

PALSCOINS · February 12, 2003 4:01AM

Yes..I did place an opening bid on this item.
Although....I didn't win.......and didn't go any higher either.
Palscoins

baccaruda · February 12, 2003 4:07AM

i think the value varies greatly on them. i think i paid a lot for my first one because it was a novelty. i was estatic with it nonetheless.

if you're talking about one of those that comes from one of those toned rolls that are nicked, scratched, fingered, spotted, water-spotted, splotchy, and some with inexplicable spots of adhesive residue on them - yeah, $1 each.

i've found very clean, even toned ones can sell for $5-$7 - and some buyers were in disbelief that they could get them for that price.

the ones i posted above are the "fruits" of roughly 40-50 proof rolls. i don't know what those would sell for - and i won't be finding out.

DHeath · February 12, 2003 10:17AM

Frank,

A few weeks ago, a 1963 PR Lincoln was a $5 coin.

That said, I love these coins with so little value just because they are fun, inexpensive, and always a surprise when you see one. They remind me of all the things I like about collecting. Some of them are truly beautiful. BC, yours are very nice. I love the 61, and the 57 ain't bad. Thank goodness there are still areas of collecting that aren't ruined by concern about value.

Bluuuuuuuuuuu Jeffersons

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