what happens to these monster toned coins years down the road

MacCoin · February 11, 2003 5:27AM

I have been seeing a lot of big $$$ being spent on common date coins because of the toning what happens to the investment 20 or 30 years from now when that beautiful rainbow tone is just an ugly black coin?

paigowjohnny · February 11, 2003 5:39AM

Hopefully by 20 or 30 years from now the satisfaction of owning that beautiful rainbow toned coin will have made the investment worth while...

asnooker · February 11, 2003 5:46AM

That's when the coin Doctors step in and really ticks Legend off!

nwcs · February 11, 2003 5:54AM

Well, if the coin is kept in a stable environment and presumably the toning source removed, the coin should not visibly change in many lifetimes. Assuming natural causes and not liquid causes of toning, of course.

Neil

ponzi187 · February 11, 2003 5:58AM

It seems like all anyone cares about are toned "Monsters".

How long has this toning desirability trend been going on?

Didn't people used to want white silver and shiney red lincolns?

asnooker · February 11, 2003 6:15AM

MacCoin...I really like your icon! It's my desktop wallpaper now. Thank you

gsaguy · February 11, 2003 6:36AM

While I can't speak for AT'd coins, those beautifully toned Morgans that I purchased 20 years ago look today EXACTLY like they did the day I purchased them. Once removed from the original source of the toning and if stored in a stable environment, there shouldn't be any change.

However, if there are those out there who are fearful that their monster toned coins will change in 20 to 30 years, please send them to me and I'll do my part to ease your fears.

GSAGUY

jamesfsm · February 11, 2003 7:01AM

My "monster" Morgans that I've had a long time have not changed. I do have a few "white" coins that have turned in the slabs and spotted/pitted badly. IMO, you're more likely to have a white coin, improperly dipped, turn colors than a monster Morgan.

TONEDDOLLARS · February 11, 2003 7:11AM

GSAGUY may know this better than I but, I think Monster toned coins have always brought big money. With todays internet and such, word of monster money gets around quicker. I think certain people were always paying big money for the RIGHT coins. I mention GSAGUY because he and I sat in on a talk at FUN given by Andy Kimmel. He said during his talk that he has always been placing the Monsters with his special coustomers and quoted some prices that were pretty high for so many years ago.

Also please do not send any toned coins to Bryan he has enough already. Send them to TONEDDOLLARS

TONEDDOLLARS · February 11, 2003 7:26AM

I just reread this thread and realized my reply had nothing to due with the question. On the question: All of my toned coins have not changed color at all. I have had some for 5 to 6 years. Sorry about that other reply. It could make for a good discussion though. Maybe GSAGUY or others who have had Monsters for a long time might give an opinion on the pricing, if it has always been high for Monsters or just recently. My thought is that years ago you had to pay a good premium for the Monsters. And that some people were paying big bucks for the right coins

Morganluver · February 11, 2003 8:10AM

I've had some toned coins for 10-13 years and they look the same today as they did then. You can also send your toned coins to me because I think those other two guys have enough LOL.

TomB · February 11, 2003 9:04AM

As long as they aren't AT and as long as you store them responsibly, as you should any coin, then the chances of them turning as you write are nil.

By the way, why don't you step forward and enlighten us as to why you think this will happen?

rainbowroosie · February 11, 2003 10:12AM

I have conducted an in depth study and have collected over 700,000 pages of empirical data and photos proving that only monster toned roosevelt dimes MS 67 + turn ugly with time. As part of a one-time opportunity to help new collectors, who may have mistakenly purchased these "so called rainbow gems," I am purchasing these dogs at 10 cents on the dollar. Please contact me for my generous offer. This includes dealers, only if their name is Tom B., GSAGUY, Colorfulcoins, or Cascio.
rainbowroosie

RegistryCoin · February 11, 2003 10:13AM

Placid · February 11, 2003 10:20AM

12 yrs coin looks the same. I belive I paid slightly less than 2x the price of a white one.

RotatedRainbows · February 11, 2003 10:39AM

I have owned this coin since early 1987 and it looks the same as it did back then (much nicer then picture) and I have many others that I have owned 16-17 years and they have not changed a bit.

onlyroosies · February 11, 2003 10:50AM

Bill, There on there way.... Thanks for the generous offer. By the way I have over a Million dollars invested, So, Lets see.
Ten cents on the dollar would be... Ah yes, A hundred grand you owe me.

Cascio

meos1 · February 11, 2003 11:12AM

I have a tone chamber that I made from a small jewelery box and several cotton balls. I put the white coins in and in five or six years they are toned. Course it take five or six years to run a batch. So I may lack some of that good ol empirical data everyone loves to see. But give it a shot.

coynclecter · February 11, 2003 11:33AM

I don't know, nor do I care. I collect coins for thier history and beauty. if I wanted pretty colors i'd drop oil drops in water. What toning has to do with coins I dont know but if people want to spend thier hard earned money on common coins with pretty colors then that leaves the rare coins for the rest of us.

I do know of a lightly toned 3 cent silver I owned that went black in a PCGS holder in 8 years.

Bear · February 11, 2003 11:50AM

Coyn - What happens when people like me collect both the high grade type annnnnddddddd

toned coins in high grade. How about toned type coins?

TomB · February 11, 2003 11:59AM

WHEW!!! Thanks, rainbowroosie!

I was wondering where I could unload those dogs before they turned!

gsaguy · February 11, 2003 12:17PM

Toneddollars..................are you having another one of those senior moments?

GSAGUY

P.S. And for the record, the best of the best have always brought top dollar..............and I believe they always will.

coynclecter · February 11, 2003 12:17PM

Hi Bear
If you like high grade coins and you pay market for them thats great.

If you like type coins and you pay market for them thats great.

If you like toned coins and you pay market for them thats great.

If you like high grade toned type coins and you pay market for them thats great.

If you like toned common coins and you pay 10 times common prices for them Id like to show you some well irrigated land I have for sale in Florida.

Of course if money doesn't mean much and you enjoy the toned common coins well then thats fine too.

dragon · February 11, 2003 12:32PM

stman · February 11, 2003 12:36PM

What I'd like to know is what is he calling market prices? Ebay? So many people think Ebay is the market.

It's not the whole market and sure not the market for coins that set themselves apart from all the junk on Ebay.

homerunhall · February 11, 2003 1:04PM

It has been my experience that original beauties like the one shown by "Rotated Rainbows" do not change with time...David Hall

braddick · February 11, 2003 2:34PM

As David Hall pointed out- if these coins all turn black, over time, where are all the black coins from 50 to 100 years ago?
Don't get me wrong- the ocassional black coin turns up, but not that often and certainly not to prove that all rainbow toned coins end up black.

relayer · February 11, 2003 4:30PM

They're dipped to be sold as blast white

northcoin · February 11, 2003 4:56PM

Relayer - Thanks for sharing your gold type set. Does the registry allow for the high relief St Gaudens and the earlier date gold to also be included in a gold type set?

relayer · February 11, 2003 5:10PM

Northcoin-

I think they'd take any variety this set, but maybe not. I tried to register a 1964 50c AH variety in the 1964 proof set and it didn't allow it.

There is also a 12-piece set that has earlier gold

The high reliefs are seperate entries in the Complete Gold Type Set

Gemini · February 11, 2003 6:04PM

All of my toned coins purchased 25 years ago or so have not changed for the worst and some look even better to me. I guess I will let the next owners worry about it.

Higashiyama · February 11, 2003 8:05PM

Coynclecter -- I think toning has a lot to do with coins -- with the way the planchets were prepared, struck, delivered, stored -- I think it is amazing that toning can often be classified (the toning on a California 50c will look different from that of a mint set Franklin, but is often recognizable as typical for the issue etc. . . ). It is really a lot more than pretty colors.

MacCoin · February 11, 2003 9:42PM

thanx guys I'm glad to hear the coin will be worth the $$$ in 20 years from now. As you may have guessed by now I'm thinking of getting atleast one of these awesome album or rainbow tone morgans. you guys just keep post your tones here. I sure like seeing them.

braddick · February 12, 2003 12:21AM

<< <i>They're dipped to be sold as blast white >>

BLACK coins will not dip out blast white and be market acceptable. A black toned coin has toning that has etched the surface and will show up as bland, lackluster and luster-free when dipped.

Hadleydog · February 12, 2003 12:42AM

what happens to these monster toned coins years down the road
I like to think they will find their way home to me.......

ArtR · February 12, 2003 12:58AM

Black isn't always bad. The next time anyone is at a coin show that Bob Campbell is set up, ask him if he has his Black Morgan with him. The coin has unreal flash, and is a site to behold. He has said that of all the toned dollars he has owned over the years that this was his favorite.

jbsteven · February 12, 2003 1:17AM

MAC...

for you

MacCoin · February 12, 2003 1:26AM

RotatedRainbows · February 12, 2003 3:34AM

It has been my experience that original beauties like the one shown by "Rotated Rainbows" do not change with time...David Hall

When I bought that coin in early 1987 it was in one of those new fangeled PCGS slabs but as was common at the time it was immediately cracked out to match the rest of my raw coins. Here is another piece which I purchashed from Leroy Van Allen in July 1987.

what happens to these monster toned coins years down the road

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