I'd love to see what one of the 51 Topps Current All Star sp's in that condition would go for. Konstanty, Roberts and Stanky are tough, tough, tough cards.
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Norty......you dreamer you. The nicest pair of the big 3 (according to legend) annonymously bounced into a show in the 80's and was bought by Rumierez, i can't remember which ones it was but seem to remember it was robin roberts and Stanky . I have a Bob Lemon Current All-star in SGC 84 and a Rizzuto in SGC 80 (my dupe is on e-bay now). How much would they bring ? and NO.........not for sale.
As for the Babe, I thought some hard hitters (or movie stars) might run this one up to a silly number. 5k seems like a good buy, do I hear 6 or 7??
Would it bring the same in it's previos SGC holder ? or more? How about if it was in PSA 7 more $$ or less.
You texans are all the same. Love Beckett, Hate SGC, Collect PSA Personally I would have left it in that nice looking SGC holder. of course if it had not been snaked off of e-bay 1 hour after it's listing, it might be resting comfortably down in my vault right now.
The best part of this hobby to me is that I CAN dream about finding the nearly unfindable. Unopened boxes of 50's material, attic finds of unhandled pre-war cards wrapped in tissue paper..........and God knows what all else. I don't let the dreams get in the way of day to day business (or, how shall we say this delicately, "other" kinds of dreams) but it doesn't hurt to dream. And, IMHO, if your gonna dream card dreams, dream BIG!
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1) I believe I have seen the 1951 Topps All-Stars in an uncut sheet form before. Can anyone confirm this?
2) I can't say as I recall the Roberts, Konstanty or Stanky cards being offered publically in the last five years, in any condition. Can anyone confirm or deny this? I don't think Copeland had them in his collection, either. (Sotheby's)
MS
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First Off; there are two distinct sets of 1951 Topps All-stars. The more "common" Connie Mack All-Stars and the less populous Major League All-Stars also known as "Currents" they look nearly identical to each other except ALL the Current All-Stars have blue text on a white back and have an Orange background. Some of the Connie Macks have this same background on the front while the ones on a tan back (or stock) have a reddish/orange, ALL Connie Macks have red text on the back bio. Current All-Stars are rarer and sell for more, The Rizzuto seems to be the toughest of the 8 issued cards. I have never seen an uncut sheet, but that doesn't mean much. I have seen cards that were not die-cut around the player image for stand up-ability. Mastro sold the big 3 from the current all-stars set in 1999. another loose and low grade example of Konsanty was sold by them in a big lot of connie's and currents in 2000 (might have been 2001). Here was Bill's write up back in '99: In 1951 Topps produced a set of die-cut Major League All-Stars to compliment their Connie Mack All-star issue. Both sets were supposedly to contain 11 cards, but the 'current" seemed impossible to complete due to three cards which never surfaced. In time, hobby pioneers were able to ascertain that these cards of Jim Konstanty, Robin Roberts and Eddie Stanky were never publicly distributed and that all known copies could be traced back to Woody Gelman, Topps' Art Director. No definitive explanation has ever been offered for their scarcity and Gelman who died in the early 1970's never offered an answer, so the mystery continues. Few example are known. Larry Fritsch and Barry Halper have sets of all 3. Both these "sets" have considerable glue damage from being mounted in Gelman's alblums. Fritsch's on the back and Halper's on the front. Another "set" turned up several years ago with significant creasing. This group was hand cut and had no die-cutting. This leads us to believe these were not final production and were likely salvaged by a Topps employee. Lastly............. (Norty you gonna love this part), John Rumierez (forgive me John) is the only fortunate collector in the history of the world to ever obtain undamaged copies. Many years ago a walk-in at a show sold John two of the three cards in high grade (Roberts and Stanky) but no explanation as to thier origin was offered (or John didn't ask). Finally (Mastro used lastly again here), Frank Nagy obtained a set of eleven from his pal Gelman back in the 50's. The die-cuts and card fragility worried Nagy so he scotch taped the backs (with two layers of tape that won't come off, I might add!). To add insult to Injury, Nagy stored his cards in a pile and the tape on the back eventually stuck to the fronts and caused some paper loss, although not severe. Mastro met Nagy in the 70's and they had a good laugh about that tape on one of Bill's visits. So we have a grand total of 14 of the unissued current all-stars in the hobby.
That was painful! At shows I get offered "really nice old cards for their age" (translation: 1982's w/ multiple creases) and John Rumierez gets offered 51 Current All Star short prints. The world is not a fair place I tell ya.
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Murcerfan thank you for writing something interesting. This is what I enjoy about the board. I believe the Current Allstar cards are much tougher than that of the Connie Macks, however the difficulty in finding a nrmt condition from either set is the same. This Babe Ruth out for auction is even more difficult to find in top condition due to the small piece between his legs that can easily be "popped out". The diecut around the bat is very close to the top of the card. Usually you will find a crease starting from the top of the card down to the top of the bat. I believe this will probably fetch $8400. I know it is not a mainstream Babe Ruth card, but it is the hardest to find in top condition.
1954
Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
'54 good points, i neglected to delve into all the condition problems that have helped make my hairline what it is today. All the Babe's I have had had those little creases, except my "keeper". not to mention corner chips on th delicate print enamel. I would not be surprised to see it reach that much.
The Babe Ruth is starting to move. Kobe you are right. It is at a great buy right now. Nice work on finding the two top graded Ruths and their sales price.
1954
Looking for high grade rookie cards and unopened boxes/cases
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Joe, I totally agree with you. I would love to see the SP's in top condition....theyare so tough I can't imagine what they would bring at auction.
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The nicest pair of the big 3 (according to legend) annonymously bounced into a show in the 80's and was bought by Rumierez, i can't remember which ones it was but seem to remember it was robin roberts and Stanky .
I have a Bob Lemon Current All-star in SGC 84 and a Rizzuto in SGC 80
(my dupe is on e-bay now).
How much would they bring ? and NO.........not for sale.
As for the Babe, I thought some hard hitters (or movie stars) might run this one up to a silly number. 5k seems like a good buy, do I hear 6 or 7??
Would it bring the same in it's previos SGC holder ? or more?
How about if it was in PSA 7 more $$ or less.
It is a beautiful card! As for your questions?
It would sell for less in a PSA 7
Definately less in the SGC holder it came from
IT would sell for MO MONEY if it were in a PSA 8 holder where it belongs!!
What to buy it together and crack it? How much intestinal fortitude have ya got?
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Personally I would have left it in that nice looking SGC holder.
of course if it had not been snaked off of e-bay 1 hour after it's listing, it might be resting comfortably down in my vault right now.
The best part of this hobby to me is that I CAN dream about finding the nearly unfindable. Unopened boxes of 50's material, attic finds of unhandled pre-war cards wrapped in tissue paper..........and God knows what all else. I don't let the dreams get in the way of day to day business (or, how shall we say this delicately, "other" kinds of dreams) but it doesn't hurt to dream. And, IMHO, if your gonna dream card dreams, dream BIG!
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1) I believe I have seen the 1951 Topps All-Stars in an uncut sheet form before. Can anyone confirm this?
2) I can't say as I recall the Roberts, Konstanty or Stanky cards being offered publically in the last five years, in any condition. Can anyone confirm or deny this? I don't think Copeland had them in his collection, either. (Sotheby's)
MS
they look nearly identical to each other except ALL the Current All-Stars have blue text on a white back and have an Orange background. Some of the Connie Macks have this same background on the front while the ones on a tan back (or stock) have a reddish/orange, ALL Connie Macks have red text on the back bio.
Current All-Stars are rarer and sell for more, The Rizzuto seems to be the toughest of the 8 issued cards. I have never seen an uncut sheet, but that doesn't mean much. I have seen cards that were not die-cut around the player image for stand up-ability.
Mastro sold the big 3 from the current all-stars set in 1999.
another loose and low grade example of Konsanty was sold by them in a big lot of connie's and currents in 2000 (might have been 2001).
Here was Bill's write up back in '99:
In 1951 Topps produced a set of die-cut Major League All-Stars to compliment their Connie Mack All-star issue. Both sets were supposedly to contain 11 cards, but the 'current" seemed impossible to complete due to three cards which never surfaced. In time, hobby pioneers were able to ascertain that these cards of Jim Konstanty, Robin Roberts and Eddie Stanky were never publicly distributed and that all known copies could be traced back to Woody Gelman, Topps' Art Director. No definitive explanation has ever been offered for their scarcity and Gelman who died in the early 1970's never offered an answer, so the mystery continues.
Few example are known. Larry Fritsch and Barry Halper have sets of all 3. Both these "sets" have considerable glue damage from being mounted in Gelman's alblums. Fritsch's on the back and Halper's on the front. Another "set" turned up several years ago with significant creasing. This group was hand cut and had no die-cutting. This leads us to believe these were not final production and were likely salvaged by a Topps employee.
Lastly............. (Norty you gonna love this part),
John Rumierez (forgive me John) is the only fortunate collector in the history of the world to ever obtain undamaged copies. Many years ago a walk-in at a show sold John two of the three cards in high grade (Roberts and Stanky) but no explanation as to thier origin was offered (or John didn't ask).
Finally (Mastro used lastly again here),
Frank Nagy obtained a set of eleven from his pal Gelman back in the 50's.
The die-cuts and card fragility worried Nagy so he scotch taped the backs (with two layers of tape that won't come off, I might add!). To add insult to Injury, Nagy stored his cards in a pile and the tape on the back eventually stuck to the fronts and caused some paper loss, although not severe. Mastro met Nagy in the 70's and they had a good laugh about that tape on one of Bill's visits.
So we have a grand total of 14 of the unissued current all-stars in the hobby.
That was painful! At shows I get offered "really nice old cards for their age" (translation: 1982's w/ multiple creases) and John Rumierez gets offered 51 Current All Star short prints. The world is not a fair place I tell ya.
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Be thankful it wasn't "Mr. Tint"...........now, those would be sour grapes!
1954
good points, i neglected to delve into all the condition problems that have helped make my hairline what it is today. All the Babe's I have had had those little creases, except my "keeper". not to mention corner chips on th delicate print enamel. I would not be surprised to see it reach that much.
1951 Topps Ruth
SGC 88 - $10,000
1951 Topps Ruth
SGC 92 - $15,000
The card in the Sportscards+ auction was once in an SGC 86 holder, so it should end up less than the prices for both of BMW cards.
1954