Resubmitting a 9

SayitaintsoJoe63 · February 1, 2003 7:53AM

Ya know....I'm just curious. A lot of us have at times resubmitted PSA 7's in hopes of pulling an 8....and we've resubmitted our share of PSA 8's to garner the elusive PSA 9.
But, have any of you ever....ever...ever dared to resubmit a PSA 9 in hopes of getting the GEM!!

Or are 9's untouchable?

theBobs · February 1, 2003 8:02AM

whoever had the first 1971 Topps PSA 9 Rose resubmitted and got a 10. Must take alot of, err, uh, courage to crack the slab of a card like that, mail it off, and roll the dice with the grader again.

zardoz51 · February 1, 2003 8:24AM

Funny that you should bring that up. I have to confess that the 1971 Rose 9, errrrrrr, 10 issue has for quite some time, had me perplexed.

theBobs, If you really believe that the 9 was broken out of its holder and resubmitted, I have a WONDERFUL investment opportunity for you in 1986 Canseco Rookies.

theBobs · February 1, 2003 8:28AM

<< <i>If you really believe that the 9 was broken out of its holder and resubmitted >>

Huh? PSA doesn't offer a review service do they? I mean, they will not offer a binding opinion of a card's grade unless its formally submitted. In order to formally submit a card, it can't be in a slab. Of course the person had to crack the slab and risk it coming back an 8, 9, or in this case a 10. Right? Very bold move... That takes ALOT of courage.

Tipem · February 1, 2003 8:31AM

Zardoz,

If you find an investment buyer,How about cuttin me in.I might have as many as you.Is your number between 30 and 50 ?

Vic

Say--- ,

If you are resubmitting 9's.I am impressed!!! I am collecting mostly 55's and 56's right now,so a resubmittal would be absolutely crazy.

zardoz51 · February 1, 2003 8:42AM

theBobs

Yes, that's correct. It does take a lot of courage. Now why is it that I find it hard to believe that a collector who had laid out the kind of megabucks for the original 9 to make such a bold move.

I guess that I just don't understand the mind of a gambler

Hmmm, you sound as though you would be an ideal candidate for the Canseco's.

zardoz51 · February 1, 2003 8:44AM

Tipem

You need a 10 multiplier

I'm in great shape

SayitaintsoJoe63 · February 1, 2003 8:50AM

I personally wouldn't dare resubmit any of my 1963 Topps PSA 9's.....they're just too dang hard to come by. I guess one would figure that the worse that could happen is that it comes back a 9 again....but heaven help me if it came back an 8.....or worse still, never come back at all!!!

theBobs · February 1, 2003 8:54AM

<< <i>I personally wouldn't dare resubmit any of my 1963 Topps PSA 9's >>

But, one might come back a 10. The Rose did.

jackstraw · February 1, 2003 9:10AM

$5.00 for a review low risk.
$7.00 for a submission high risk.
i roll 7's everytime

i would be happy with a 9.

Tipem · February 1, 2003 9:15AM

Zardoz,

I feel your pain!!!

Want to buy some 87 Donruss Kevin Browns???

Vic

rw2win · February 1, 2003 9:20AM

Zardoz, did you ever think about resubmitting the 71 Rose that you sold on ebay last week? That looked like a 9 to me.

murcerfan · February 1, 2003 9:42AM

I've cracked about a dozen 9's from the '69 supers in the past year.
I did that on 4 to take advantage of my freebies for completion, i chose the nicest 4.
got back two 9's, one 8 and a 6 (pretty sweet, eh). I just got the 2 downgrades graded again and they are back in 9's. I did manage to get 3 of those 9 breakouts into 10 holders.
the rounded corners make 10's achievable on this set, so it should not serve as a guiding light for others.

interchanges · February 1, 2003 11:12AM

Back when the 86 Fleer Jordan rookie was red-hot, my buddy broke out a nine twice going for a ten (which, at the time was fetching over$25,000) He got nines both times.
After that, he didn't want to risk it, but we both agreed, in that case, it was worth a shot!

mikeschmidt · February 1, 2003 11:36AM

With modern cards (post-1969), it is possible in many cases if you are very, very discriminating and send the card in with a number of similar cards in lesser, but still 9, condition. With 1971 -- it was upgraded for the buyer. The buyer paid $15,000 for the card, and it was subsequently bumped up to a 10.

There is always a crapshoot angle -- which makes me tell you that unless you have a) multiple copies of the cards in PSA 9 and b) the card is worth less than $200 -- then you shouldn't partake in this game.

zardoz51 · February 1, 2003 11:49AM

Some of those Jordan 9's have made the trip to Newport Beach so many times that they don't even need a roadmap to get there. We are not talking being broken out once or twice here.....MANY times.!!

As for the Rose 10 business

No comment! Too bad that politics has raised its ugly head.

As for my Rose that I sold last week, that was a beauty, but just a tick away from a 9, otherwise I would have broken out and submitted. (again, and again, and again, and again!)

Caramels · February 3, 2003 12:31AM

I have got some Kevin Mitchell's in PSA 9's for yah all! or maybe you would like some more San Diego Chicken cards that could make 10's! How do you like those little black tri-pod holders I sent you? I have mine all over the house and some of them are filled with 1975 Ted Kubiak minis and 1973 Carmen Fanzones!

mikeschmidt · February 3, 2003 1:27AM

Caramels:

Did you see this one?

dude · February 3, 2003 1:39AM

I have a few vintage 9 commons that merit another look in hopes of a 10. Let's be honest, grading is subjective and the difference between a PSA 9 and a PSA 10 is minuscule at times. I'm truly convinced that a lot of it depends on which grader looks at it and on top of that, what mood he's in.

I don't know if any of you ever thought about it, but anytime I'm at a show where they have on-sight grading where the graders are kept in this secret makeshift room, I often wonder what it's like inside that room. I'd love to be a fly on wall. I also wonder what it's like in the grading room at the headquarters. Is it dead silent where everyone is in a remote cubicle in deep concentration or is the radio on loud and everyone is sitting shoulder to shoulder talking about everything and anything while grading cards? I'd like to hear from Charlie or Joe regarding what the environment is like. I really don't think there is a Grader of Death. When people tell me they got a real disappointing invoice, I think there is a grader who's favorite baseball team just blew a 7 run lead in the bottom of the ninth the night before and his wife forgot to take her PMS medication and meanwhile his teenage daughter started dating some punk with a custom van and didn't come in until 3 am that morning and then had a fender bender driving in to work. This is the guy you don't want grading your cards when he walks into the grading room!

toppsgun · February 3, 2003 1:58AM

dude,

That's pretty funny, but I doubt if any of the graders are old enough to have daughters of dating age. There probably are, however, a few Angels fans in that grading room. I only wish I'd submitted an invoice in very, very late October. I'd have a bunch of "push" grades.

As for the "roadie" graders, I'm sure those guys behind the curtain have the TV on (big game blaring), with pizza boxes strewn about the room, beer bottles laying around and cigarette smoke wafting up through the ventilation system.

Then, of course, the final review grader announces, "Hey, watch this!" as he runs the slab through the SCRATCHING machine.

dude · February 3, 2003 2:07AM

toppsgun,

Hey we better be quiet! We have invoices pending at PSA and you know at least one of the the graders is bound to read this stuff.

Stump · February 3, 2003 2:24AM

You guys are forgetting they have a fly on these walls.

Dave

zardoz51 · February 3, 2003 5:31AM

I visited the hallowed halls of PSA in mid December, and Charlie was very curtious in giving me the grand tour.

I visited the grading room, where the only illumination comes from the high intensity lights at each grading cubicle. Hardly a jovial place, very quiet and there are absolutely no distractions for the graders.

I followed the grading process from the time the submission enters the receiving room to the finished product in the mailing room.

Suffice to say, it was very efficient, and VERY ANONYMOUS (for the Doubting Thomases out there). Upon leaving the receiving room, where the submission is checked against the respective form, a batch # is assigned to the boxes which are then sent to a staging area (vault). From there they go to the grading room in due course.

Again for the record and numerous wags out there.

I did NOT see any seeing-eye dogs, white canes, or dart boards with 1-10 on them (10 being the bullseye) in the grading area. Being the curious-minded guy that I am, I entered the grading area, and grabbed a box from a grader's area. Absolutely NO indication as to who or where they came from. Just a cumputer generated numbered label (NOT the submission invoice #) stuck on the box.

In addition, there were no booze bottles, or strange "herbal" odors in the air.

There was however a booth with a skull, and a couple of voodoo dolls. I believe that I had discovered the workplace of the "Grader of Death"

qualitycards · February 3, 2003 5:50AM

ZARDOZ - It seems that the grading room is a scene out of Dickens. Its nice to know they let the CEO of ZAG grading inside the hallowed halls. Did they check your pockets before you left?

...jay

zardoz51 · February 3, 2003 5:53AM

Yes

The security man with the rubber gloves was very gentle!

murcerfan · February 3, 2003 7:54AM

Edited for Fear of sanction.
If I name Darth Grader...I will be labeled a traitor.

Resubmitting a 9

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