1883-CC ULTRA - DMPL ?

sinin1 · January 31, 2003 2:31PM

What's up with this coin? Did someone use white fingernail polish on it AND leave their fingerprints? Or is the reflection so good that you can see the guys hand (and prints) taking the picture? It doesn't like right to me but I am curious from the experts what has been done to it -

http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/72176624?aucview=0x30
yahoo 1883-CC ULTRA DMPL

mbbiker · January 31, 2003 2:33PM

those are paw prints on the coin

Placid · January 31, 2003 2:33PM

Year minted 1833???

DCAMFranklin · January 31, 2003 2:43PM

Sinin1- Yes, those are reflections, in the mirrors, of the photographer's finger. Very reflective. Super looking coin to me.

Cam40 · January 31, 2003 2:44PM

Thats a scarey auction. Seller:.please look closely before you bid.......
What?
Its like a dare.Or `see if you can spot `it``
It looks too good to be true.Deep mirrors.Frosty devices.
Is it a clever silver round? What.
California Proof Morgan?
Is the fingerprint placed there as a distraction?
Too many question...

littlewicher · January 31, 2003 2:47PM

It looks like someone got in the baby powder.

DCAMFranklin · January 31, 2003 2:47PM

<< <i>Year minted 1833??? >>

What?......You never make a typo before? Get real.

Placid · January 31, 2003 2:49PM

You don't like what I post then please just ignore it instead of making stupid comments.
The auction has been running for 7 day's plenty of time to correct a typo.

clackamas · January 31, 2003 2:50PM

Dang those finger prints stand out. I guess that is why he said look closely. MS64 DMPL but after you send it to NCS to hopefully remove the prints.

dragon · January 31, 2003 2:54PM

littlewicher, troll

<<It looks like someone got in the baby powder>>

Why do you even bother, you are clueless, don't know what you're looking at, but just feel compelled for some reason to make a comment?

sinin1 · January 31, 2003 2:56PM

DCAM - I am not concerned about the typo 1883/1833, I actually made it on my original post.

My question is if this is authentic, then why does the frost extend from the device onto the field ( as seen around some of the stars ) or is this just an optical illusion?

I realized you are one of the best cameo/deep cameo judges/experts in the country and am curious as to your thoughts - also I am wondering why what I think are finger prints in the field are the same color exactly as the frost on the devices.

Is this an awesome coin or one that would be returned in a bb?

littlewicher · January 31, 2003 3:01PM

I was making a sarcastic remark, idiot. What did you contribute to this thread? NOTHING!

I think the coin has been artificially frosted or has some kind of powder on it? It would explain the fingerprint. If he touched whatever was used, then accidentally touched the fields, it would leave that mark, and would be the best explanation for the print.

dragon · January 31, 2003 3:18PM

sinin,

On DMPL CC dollars, the mint frost extending out into the fields is not only natural on a minority of exceptional cameoed DMPL pieces, it is actually considered highly desirable by knowledgeable collectors.

Typically, you may see the mint frost extend out into the fields in the following areas:

1) In front of Libertys face/forehead
2) At the junction of Libertys neck/chin
3) At the base of Libertys cap
4) Above the eagles head and below the motto
5) Just below the eagles wings adjacent to the legs

Less infrequently, you may see frost 'halos' around the date, legends, and stars on some exceptional heavily cameoed pieces.

Hope this clears that up.

dragon

DCAMFranklin · January 31, 2003 3:18PM

Sinin1- Well this one of those embarrassing moments. I have often had instances arise where things in a scan/photo were very obvious to some Members and not obvious on my Sony monitor. Here is one of them! I went back to those photos a couple of different times and I don't see the fingerprint(s). Are you referring to something under the B and U of pluribus?

DCAMFranklin · January 31, 2003 3:24PM

<< <i>You don't like what I post then please just ignore it instead of making stupid comments.
The auction has been running for 7 day's plenty of time to correct a typo. >>

I think the "stupid comment" is yours. Don't make it and the rest of us won't have to ignore it. You are constantly nit-picking about the stupidist, most minute mistake, such as this little typo, and then the rest of us are stuck reading your immature comments. Give it a break!

Placid · January 31, 2003 3:27PM

I will do what I want thank you. You don't like it tuff. I am not here to please you nazi nor do I care what you think.
Sorry to put this in a thread but his pm is not enabled.

littlewicher · January 31, 2003 3:29PM

Dragon, you still haven't specifically commented on the piece in question. What is your opinion of the specific coin? Also, why haven't you responded to my PM?

LucyBop · January 31, 2003 3:32PM

sinin1 · January 31, 2003 3:33PM

Thanks Dragon - so your opinion this is an awesome example of very deep cameo.

DCAMFranklin - obverse 1/3 back of chin to neck - about 6 semiarchs - could be reflection from camera
reverse 2 areas - on eagle right around arrow heads between eagle and wreath
also to the left of eagle between feathers and wreath (finger?)

dragon · January 31, 2003 3:40PM

sinin,

I wouldn't classify that piece as an awesome cameo, but going by that pic, it looks to have very deep mirrors and decent contrast.

Also keep in mind that DMPL dollars can sometimes be very difficult to take pics of......all kinds of stuff shows up, doesn't show up, is there, isn't there, shadows, reflections, etc.

dragon

doops · January 31, 2003 7:20PM

<< <i>DCAM - I am not concerned about the typo 1883/1833, I actually made it on my original post.

My question is if this is authentic, then why does the frost extend from the device onto the field ( as seen around some of the stars ) or is this just an optical illusion?

I realized you are one of the best cameo/deep cameo judges/experts in the country and am curious as to your thoughts - also I am wondering why what I think are finger prints in the field are the same color exactly as the frost on the devices.

Is this an awesome coin or one that would be returned in a bb? >>

talk about a JOKE...re-read the above chump attribution......heh....

sinin1 · February 1, 2003 10:29AM

I am still curious on more opinions from people besides the friday night at the fights crew.

Do you feel this is original or played with?

dragon · February 1, 2003 10:31AM

The coin looks fine

FC57Coins · February 1, 2003 10:41AM

Did someone say 83CC DMPL?

sinin1 · February 1, 2003 10:44AM

OMG - how did you get the lightbulbs in the coin - it looks like a lampshade!

Leftcoast · February 1, 2003 11:22AM

I'm not an expert, but the "finger print" seems to match approximatly front to back. Before I spent over 150 bucks on anything I would want a better/less distracting photo, but that may be technologically impossible for them.

1883-CC ULTRA - DMPL ?

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