Poll: Error Grading Question - Now with Link to Photos

Tootawl

I have come into possession of several double dated SAEs. I want to get them graded and have the mint error/double dated on the slab. Which grading company should I send these to?

All four are MS.



Linky-poo to the photos

fcloud

I don't know, but I will be interested to see how the people in the "know" vote.

Cam40

Is it possible that they are `true` doubled die pieces or is it more probable its common machine doubling?

littlewicher

I thought for PCGS to designate a coin as a doubled die, it has to be a widely recognized error, right?

keoj

Yes, you are correct. PCGS will not recognize a variety unless it is widely recognized. The issue that I continuously have with PCGS is what does "widely recognized" mean? At least NGC has a recognized and stated list of varieties that they cover (they sent out a nice listing a few months ago).

keoj

Tootawl

<< <i>Is it possible that they are `true` doubled die pieces or is it more probable its common machine doubling? >>



I don't know if it's "true" doubled die or machine doublng. I do see doubling in just the dates....unless I'm missing something. I'll try and get photos soon.

coppercoins

I don't know what a "double date" is.

If it's machine doubling, it's not worth an error designation, but if you think you need it, PCI would be the only choice. They are the only ones who misattribute machine doubling as doubled dies on a regular basis.

If it's a doubled die, ANACS is the best choice. Neither of the two mainstay companies are caught up on die variety attribution and certification.

Tootawl

Photos are now online. They are HERE.


I tried to insert the photos but just came up with red x boxes.

coppercoins

All of them are machine doubling. I would skip trying to have error designations put on them. Neither PCGS nor NGC would do it, and anything else would be - well, anything else. You would have a hard time finding a knowledgeable collector willing to pay a premium for machine doubling.

Incidentally, I did notice mention with nice photos of a doubled die obverse SAE. I believe the date was 1990 and the doubling was rather nice. I'm not sure whether it was Ken Potter or CONECA who attributed it....but it did get a number. That article (and photos) submitted with the coin to ANACS would get the designation on the slab, I would think. But alas, unfortunately yours are all machine, or "shelf" doubling. Just die chatter.

coppercoins

Yeah, same here...wierd. Must be your image service or something.

Cam40

Sorry 2Tall.
Dont ya just hate getting shot down?

Tootawl

It may be "just die chatter", but to me, it's still a cool error.

Cam40

Absolutely.
I,m holding on to all my `insignificant errors` too.

The way I see it,if its showing doubling its very cool.

Ya know,`They` always say `no premium,no premium`
They being those guys why 6 figure valued collections and big time dealers.

Good thing is,there are more of us little guys than those elitist few.

Tootawl

ttt

clackamas

I thought these were very common on SAE's. Half of the ones I own show a doubling of some sort. I dont believe all the pictures you show are machine doubles. The 97 shows doubling to the S and W of the 7, the 94 shows what looks like class II doubling on the date, the second 93 looks like it may be a machine double, and the first 93 shows ?.

gmarguli

PCGS, NGC, & ANACS will NOT recognize machine doubling. PCI will and as someone stated, they can mis-attribute it as a doubled die. SEGS will note it. ICG may, but I don't think so. ACG will and like PCI, they can mis-attribute it as a doubled die. NTC might, but they are crap like ACG.