My new ACG Morgan

Dog97

I can't say I "bought the coin not the holder." The eBay seller didn't even have a pict. I wasn't hoping for a pq coin unjustly entombed in wrongly graded slab. I didn't even check the grading or to see if the toning was real or if the coin was even a genuine Morgan. I bought it purely for the holder. I bought it solely for the plastic. Strictly for the ACG name. I was more interested if the Cs on the rev insert lined up with the ACC or was off centered.
The rev looks like a 3rd gen slab but the obv doesn't match. Not a 2. Maybe a transactional type slab or a #4? This coin was probably slabbed before PCGS & NGC was even in business but if I'm incorrect I'm sure Conder101 will be glad to set me straight.
Pretty cool, huh?

mbbiker

dare i say from the pics it looks slightly undergraded unless that is wear i see on the hair. Very interesting slab i've never seen one like that before.

stman

I read in some other threads that if a person buys these type of holders they are supporting fraud. Is there any truth to this big Dog?

I don't know why it matters a coin is a coin but thought I'd ask.

The coin is AU if you're lucky, but I know it's not about the coin it's the holder, yeah right.

Dog97

I read a post by DcamFranklin in another thread about how lowend collectors appreciate NTC & ACG coins so I'm feeling pretty low about right now stman.

KAJ1

AGC originaly comes out of CT. ????

Say it's not so.......

stman

Dog, I think you're feeling low because of that MD 20/20. Hey it's a nice coin and I'm sure you got a good deal, good catch!!!!

BTW, like I said, last time I was drinking something like that, Chino Ca. is not a great place to visit. It will make a tame Dog go mad, that mad dog 20/20 will.

DCAMFranklin

Yo, Dog97, nobody here meant to offend you, there ol'buddy.

K6AZ

<< <i>AGC originaly comes out of CT. ????

Say it's not so....... >>



It's so. Go to my ACG website linked below and read the link "Alan Hager is a proven fraud"

dorkkarl

sentiments echoed - i find myself in agreement w/ the grade.

K S

nwcs

So.......... Is there actually such a thing as an ACG bodybag?

dorkkarl

why, yes! alan hagar wears 1 all the time.

K S

Conder101

Yes Accugrade does have body bags. I have a picture of one but the file size is too large for me to attach it here.

Yes Accugrade started out in Greenwich CT. They have also had branch offices in De Moines Iowa, Long Beach CA, and San Francisco CA. Now of course they are in FL.

Dog,

That is a new one on me. It is VERY similar to another variety but the placement of the state name is definitely different. The varieties have been renumbered so the numbers you have are no longer accurate. (Shortly before I clased out the book to new information I renumbered the entire series to remove all of the "in between" numbers that I had had to use for new discoveries while compiling the book.) Your new variety would fit in in between varieties ACG 13 and ACG 14 in the current book. Soo though, it will have to wait for the second edition before it gets listed. If you are curious this makes the 27th ACG production variety seen. And it was produced some time in 1989 - 90.

How did you buy it purely for the holder if it wasn't pictured? How did you know what the holder looked like?

lava

Burning my eyes with those ACG holders. Enough already. I don't make you come to my house and look in my toilet.

The court opinion linked by kgazK6AZ is very interesting and worth a look.

The jury was asked if Hager knowingly falsely acted to con the plaintiff, the jury said yes, on and appeal the court said the jury's verdict was overwhelmingly supported by the evidence. Good stuff:

Interrogatory No. 7. Do you find that the defendant Alan Hager knowingly falsely represented the grading and wholesale value of coins he transferred to David Naughton as higher than 19 percent of retail value, when that was untrue, and that he did so to induce Naughton to act on it and that he did so to his financial loss?

Answer: Yes.

I don't like to buy any coins from anyone dealing in ACG stuff. That to me sends up red flags to stay away.

Dog97

Cool!! Another first for Conder101 that he hasn't seen. I love doing that! I was hoping for something older than a #27 from 1990 though.
Thanks for the info!
How did I buy it for the holder if it wasn't pictured?
Even though I bought it "sight unseen" the seller's descrip said it was a CT slab so I knew it was a "good find."
When I got it I knew it was no older than a 3rd gen due to the C in CT being left of the CC in Accrugrade but my reference material is sorely lacking.