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  • Doops -

    Get a life. You're annoying.
    NCO's lead from the front!
  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Doops -

    Get a life. You're annoying. >>



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  • BearBear Posts: 18,953 ✭✭✭
    Nobody cares!
    There once was a place called
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  • "Doops -

    Get a life. You're annoying. "

    I second that (make that third)
  • EVillageProwlerEVillageProwler Posts: 5,856 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Doops,

    Your obsession with DCAMFranklin is at best immature and at worst like a stalker. Do yourself a favor and move onto something far more constructive -- like going to the bathroom and relieving yourself.

    PLONK.

    EVP

    How does one get a hater to stop hating?

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  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570

    Is the answer Pepperdoodles?
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  • aww, man... I saw that message going lower and lower and I hoped it would make it to page 2 without a response.

    but to add my 2 cents...

    Doops... Ya gotta watch those obsessions. Stalking, road rage and Lizzie Grubman are out. Being nice to your fellow man is in.

    -Dave
  • Who cares! Get a life...
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  • Sir, (and I use this term loosely)

    PUT UP, OR SHUT UP.......

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  • << <i>Is the answer Pepperdoodles? >>


    heh, that's a good one...he's kind of busy right now posting lots on jokebay so he hasnt has time to come over and obsess a bit more


  • << <i>jwcameo >>


    gosh dawg steve ! what would make you say that ?? jdubfrankdeo is a fine upstanding keep his word kind fo guy isnt he??
  • fishcookerfishcooker Posts: 3,446 ✭✭
    Cool! My first PLONK!!!!
  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    1) I don't know the eBay IDs of 99% of the forum members. Many times after I have sold something on eBay the buyer informs me that he is a message board member.

    2) I don't care who he is on eBay. If you haven't figured it out yet, this isn't eBay.

    3) We all know who you are on eBay. It's "pepperdoodles" and you are a scumbag dealer that should be avoided.

    4) You need professional help to deal with your addictions and anger.

    5) You continue to show the world what a complete ass, moron, and scumbag you are. For whatever reason, you enjoy doing this.

    6) Get a life.

    7) Get a life.

    8) Get a life.

    9) Get a life.

    10) Get a life.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295
    I thought when you first started posting here that your time here would be constructive. It is one thing to disagree with others on a topic, but all I have seen from you is nastiness. Just about every thread you post to, seems you are calling someone an idiot. I used to wonder about what people said who have dealt with you, I really couldn't believe anyone would be so crude who sells lots of coins. Obviously, I was wrong. Hopefully, someone at PCGS will pull the plug on you here. I for one am tired of your ranting and raving.
  • mbbikermbbiker Posts: 2,873
    I usually don't involve myself with TROLLS but i'm getting sick of you. I agree with K6AZ i hope CU shuts you down it would make this place so much better.
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    doops, i can tell from many of your responses on meaningful threads that you have a lot of coin knowledge. but only 1 word describes these peripheral issues:

    "yuk"

    i am NOT trying to attack you or be mean in any way, but c'mon friend! you've contributed some great knowledge so far on this forum, but much of it has gone unnoticed because of the other noise.

    K S
  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
    Please excuse Pepperdoodle's rambling outbursts. Merely acknowledging his presence exacerbates and enables his condition. At best (clinically speaking), he suffers from low self esteem. It could be much worse. One obvious symptom is his need to name drop (Tomaska, etc.), as though doing so substantiates his numismatic opinions. Have you ever heard anyone use HIS sname to do the same??


  • << <i>Please excuse Pepperdoodle's rambling outbursts. Merely acknowledging his presence exacerbates and enables his condition. At best (clinically speaking), he suffers from low self esteem. It could be much worse. One obvious symptom is his need to name drop (Tomaska, etc.), as though doing so substantiates his numismatic opinions. Have you ever heard anyone use HIS sname to do the same?? >>


    dear au58:ie "an undergrade" member. rick t is quite ok in my book. he has contributed much to one of my (our) select few true pros) in this specialized field. i admire his retail marketabilities and contributions to this specialized area. he hits a buy it now or bids one of our pepperdoodles lots on stuff he can mega retail and more power to him for it. it works and more power o him. it;s not for me though. our relationship that once was heavy wholesaling to him was one that went south some 10-12 years ago over too much haggling. something i dont have the time nor patience for. we slab more proofs and cams in the 50-70 era than any one single submitter in the country and i stick to wholesaling for the most part. rick is still is a great guy and extremely,(i mean very extremely) knowledgable thanks to help from all us contributors of mint info and such and his own experiences that he has utilized for his nitch which he has done vey very well with. i say kudos to for him for it. it's the chumps,wannabees and dubya's,segos that muck it up trying to make an easy fatrat buck off another's back that dont settle well with any of us pros.....they are leaches,follow the leaders types,etc and cant achieve what the 4 or 5 of us have in this field,being val,rick,capper,finley and myself and a few others that know their stuff and know how to make it work while doing it right,responsibly at the same time....this sums it up in a nutshell
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570

    Are you saying DCAMFranklin is Rick Tomaska or did you forget your topic?
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  • Doops needs an ego and reality check.

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  • CoulportCoulport Posts: 1,087 ✭✭✭
    Who cares?

    Don't you have something constructive to do?

    And, STOP SHOUTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    The most money I made are on coins I haven't sold.

    Got quoins?
  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    Why was I surprised to see which "member" brought this thread up to the top. Perhaps every time doops/pepperdoodles brings these useless threads to the top we should bring a thread where he refused to take a return on his over-hyped coin he sold to segoja. Maybe that can cost him one sale each time and he will finally learn or, better yet, go out of business.


    he hits a buy it now or bids one of our pepperdoodles lots on stuff he can mega retail and more power to him for it.

    Would you let him return a coin he didn't like?


    our relationship that once was heavy wholesaling to him was one that went south some 10-12 years ago over too much haggling.

    Perhaps it was another reason? Perhaps too much hyping and not haggling?


    something i dont have the time nor patience for.

    You also don't have time or patience for satisfying your customers. Slash and burn appears to be your technique. Before you spout off, prove me wrong. Make segoja whole again.



    we slab more proofs and cams in the 50-70 era than any one single submitter in the country

    According to who? I wasn't aware the grading services kept these broken down statistics.


    and i stick to wholesaling for the most part.

    How about wholesaling segoja's coin for him at the price he paid?



    it's the chumps,wannabees and dubya's,segos that muck it up trying to make an easy fatrat buck off another's back that dont settle well with any of us pros.

    If you're a pro in this business, then it should be easy for the novices to see what is so wrong with this business.


    ....they are leaches,follow the leaders types,etc and cant achieve what the 4 or 5 of us have in this field,being val,rick,capper,finley and myself and a few others that know their stuff and know how to make it work while doing it right,

    You do it "right"? Not according to segoja. In fact, I would guess he would say the opposite. You do it wrong. If you do it right, then be 1/10th the man and dealer you claim to be and take back his coin for 100% of the purchase price. Come on now, show everyone on this forum how great you really are.


  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
    Please do not reply to this thread unless you can cite one example of someone with even a modicum of success in the coin industry or just a modest reputation as a professional numismatist ever using the name Pepperdoodles as either a positive reference or to substantiate their own standing in the business. If you can, we're all ears.
  • image Depends on how you define success! Its public information on EBAY. Just go to the search mode and then go to buying. Type in include completed items. Type in Pepperdoodles. The list is a continual four weeks. He is slow very slow this month at seven pages. Normally has fourteen. He has bought over seventeen thousand dollars on ebay alone the last four weeks. Remember, this is a very slow period for him. Dont take long to figure that this man is doing lots of business and by his own admission ebay is not even fifty percent of his buying. I think this man is clearly successful at what he is doing. The money is there. Now you may not like how he speaks, nor how he hurts your feelings but if success is measured by money this man is very successful.
    In an insane society, a sane person will appear to be insane.
  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    So is Alan Hager and Joel Rettew.

    So are many ACG and NTC and PCI dealers.

    So are the people who advertise hot products (Sony Playstations, X-boxes, etc) and "sell" a few dozen of them and never deliver.

    So are the people who build up feedback and then run a bunch of auctions and never deliver the merchandise.

    So are Enron and Worldcom.

    If all you need to be "successful" is large revenues, then many people can be successful.

    Also, revenues don't necessarily mean profitable.
  • image I know where you are coming from but I must point out one important fact. In order for any of those people or corporate entities to be successful the must have one other thing! Fish, takers, suckers. These people are caught in their own net. They all buy because they have been led to believe(they want to believe) that they are going to make big on the purchase. The same principle applies to lots of stuff, not just coins. Some people are smash mouth about it, they dont try to hide the fact that they are taking your money. Others are much more subtle and crafty like the serpent of old. They are real smooth, they go after the big fish. No Doops is not in their class but somehow I dont think he wants to be.
    In an insane society, a sane person will appear to be insane.
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  • dragondragon Posts: 4,548 ✭✭
    doops,

    You sure are stuck on yourself, aren't you?

    Interesting how I've never heard Leon Hendrickson, Kevin Lipton, Q. David Bowers, Julian Leidman, Dwight Manley, or anyone else in their class telling everyone what pros and leaders they are, or how many coins they submit........


    dragon
  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
    I'm sorry for not being clear.
    My question is this: Have any forum members ever heard anyone else say "I'm a pro and at the top of my field. I'm so good, I do business with Pepperdoodles. If you don't believe me, go ask Pepperdoodles".
  • Does his business card say PepperDoodles? Classy! More like PooperScooper


  • << <i>image Depends on how you define success! Its public information on EBAY. Just go to the search mode and then go to buying. Type in include completed items. Type in Pepperdoodles. The list is a continual four weeks. He is slow very slow this month at seven pages. Normally has fourteen. He has bought over seventeen thousand dollars on ebay alone the last four weeks. Remember, this is a very slow period for him. Dont take long to figure that this man is doing lots of business and by his own admission ebay is not even fifty percent of his buying. I think this man is clearly successful at what he is doing. The money is there. Now you may not like how he speaks, nor how he hurts your feelings but if success is measured by money this man is very successful. >>


    that doesnt include the some 15-20k per mo i buy from ebay contacts who now just call me with what they have,they know i'm THE buyer,they ship it,we pay fair. nor does it include the 15-20g a mo i buy in sealed proof set deals from coin net and facts/cce "auto-pilot" shippers now for decades or another 30-40g g a mo we trade wholesale in btr date dollars,walkers,commems,type,misc that we work on a mere 5-8% to just rolll deals over. jokebay dont see any of that. and no, i'm not bragging,really by comparison that aint nothing to brag about. i just do what i do. but, i do slab more cams and proofs than anyone else singularly and ALL the serious comps and most of the chumps know it to be true. the chumps are jealous and ones who are basically farts on a toothpick when they act like they are sh*t on a stick. they just cant dig it. you gotta put the nads on the line in a sure nuff FOR REAL way to make it work and it aint easy and it does consume 15-16 hrs a day. i have to just "escape" and "be gone" for a bit if iwant time off. i dont plan on doing this for my health and am dropping it in about 5 more yrs. quite cozily i might add. furthermore,i will deal and trade accordingly with anyone who can take respsonsibilty for their own actions or inactions and when they whine at me over their own buyer remorse or woeful "mishopefuls" it's THEIR problem, not mine. there is a GIGANTIC difference in taking a shot with a highend slab that may have a shot at a triple-up and being flat out scammed by a peon with a raw P.O.S that many TRY to stick on us that they hoped some idiot bought. THAT dog dont hunt, it dont even get up and sniff off the edge of the porch...BUT...they still try you every single friggin day....with bait and switch and total bunk junk called gem
  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    that doesnt include the some 15-20k per mo i buy from ebay contacts who now just call me with what they have,they know i'm THE buyer,they ship it,we pay fair. nor does it include the 15-20g a mo i buy in sealed proof set deals from coin net and facts/cce "auto-pilot" shippers now for decades or another 30-40g g a mo we trade wholesale in btr date dollars,walkers,commems,type,misc that we work on a mere 5-8% to just rolll deals over. jokebay dont see any of that. and no, i'm not bragging,really by comparison that aint nothing to brag about. i just do what i do. but, i do slab more cams and proofs than anyone else singularly and ALL the serious comps and most of the chumps know it to be true. the chumps are jealous and ones who are basically farts on a toothpick when they act like they are sh*t on a stick. they just cant dig it. you gotta put the nads on the line in a sure nuff FOR REAL way to make it work and it aint easy and it does consume 15-16 hrs a day. i have to just "escape" and "be gone" for a bit if iwant time off. i dont plan on doing this for my health and am dropping it in about 5 more yrs. quite cozily i might add. furthermore,i will deal and trade accordingly with anyone who can take respsonsibilty for their own actions or inactions and when they whine at me over their own buyer remorse or woeful "mishopefuls" it's THEIR problem, not mine. there is a GIGANTIC difference in taking a shot with a highend slab that may have a shot at a triple-up and being flat out scammed by a peon with a raw P.O.S that many TRY to stick on us that they hoped some idiot bought. THAT dog dont hunt, it dont even get up and sniff off the edge of the porch...BUT...they still try you every single friggin day....with bait and switch and total bunk junk called gem

    Does anyone have a clue as to what he just said? I'm not familiar with 90% of his allegories. Farts, sniggins porchs, whatever.....

    I've got a suspicion that pepperdoodles is Bubb Rubb that is being discussed in this thread: Woooo Woooooooo!!!!!
  • NumisEdNumisEd Posts: 1,336
    Greg, that's just too funny! image

    I don't picture Bubb Rubb when I read PooperDoodle's posts. Rather, I envision someone like Jed Clampett, or maybe even Jethro Bodine. "Weeeeeee Dawgies! Ellie-Mae, you's go an fetch me my set o' ACG wheatie pennies in DCAM, ya' hear? Well I'll be hog tied and whipped with a dead chipmunk....this here 58-D ain't even a CAM. Granny, you get this here puppy crossed over into a PCGS for me and I'll be happier than a tick in a hound dawg. Ya hear? Weeeeeeee Dawgies."
  • Give me a WOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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  • << <i>that doesnt include the some 15-20k per mo i buy from ebay contacts who now just call me with what they have,they know i'm THE buyer,they ship it,we pay fair. nor does it include the 15-20g a mo i buy in sealed proof set deals from coin net and facts/cce "auto-pilot" shippers now for decades or another 30-40g g a mo we trade wholesale in btr date dollars,walkers,commems,type,misc that we work on a mere 5-8% to just rolll deals over. jokebay dont see any of that. and no, i'm not bragging,really by comparison that aint nothing to brag about. i just do what i do. but, i do slab more cams and proofs than anyone else singularly and ALL the serious comps and most of the chumps know it to be true. the chumps are jealous and ones who are basically farts on a toothpick when they act like they are sh*t on a stick. they just cant dig it. you gotta put the nads on the line in a sure nuff FOR REAL way to make it work and it aint easy and it does consume 15-16 hrs a day. i have to just "escape" and "be gone" for a bit if iwant time off. i dont plan on doing this for my health and am dropping it in about 5 more yrs. quite cozily i might add. furthermore,i will deal and trade accordingly with anyone who can take respsonsibilty for their own actions or inactions and when they whine at me over their own buyer remorse or woeful "mishopefuls" it's THEIR problem, not mine. there is a GIGANTIC difference in taking a shot with a highend slab that may have a shot at a triple-up and being flat out scammed by a peon with a raw P.O.S that many TRY to stick on us that they hoped some idiot bought. THAT dog dont hunt, it dont even get up and sniff off the edge of the porch...BUT...they still try you every single friggin day....with bait and switch and total bunk junk called gem

    Does anyone have a clue as to what he just said? I'm not familiar with 90% of his allegories. Farts, sniggins porchs, whatever.....

    I've got a suspicion that pepperdoodles is Bubb Rubb that is being discussed in this thread: Woooo Woooooooo!!!!! >>


    greg, (heh) you're a little peon. SHUT UP BOY and go to bed and try to dream of being something in the coin industry


  • << <i>Greg, that's just too funny! image

    I don't picture Bubb Rubb when I read PooperDoodle's posts. Rather, I envision someone like Jed Clampett, or maybe even Jethro Bodine. "Weeeeeee Dawgies! Ellie-Mae, you's go an fetch me my set o' ACG wheatie pennies in DCAM, ya' hear? Well I'll be hog tied and whipped with a dead chipmunk....this here 58-D ain't even a CAM. Granny, you get this here puppy crossed over into a PCGS for me and I'll be happier than a tick in a hound dawg. Ya hear? Weeeeeeee Dawgies." >>


    numised, your're becoming quite a joke as well. at first i didnt think so but some of you guys are loaded with buttons just waitng to be pushed..heh heh LOL. your snivelling trifle doesnt even get beyond the chuckle factor with me..and ya'll act as if you think you're actually "getting under my skin" heh still LOL. what a joke....the rambling all of you pop-offs do over here is mere pleasure time for me just watching all the crap you all come can come up with...ya'll all need to get a life and enjoy the coin hobby or get the hell out for God sakes if this is all you can do....really...


  • << <i>Why was I surprised to see which "member" brought this thread up to the top. Perhaps every time doops/pepperdoodles brings these useless threads to the top we should bring a thread where he refused to take a return on his over-hyped coin he sold to segoja. Maybe that can cost him one sale each time and he will finally learn or, better yet, go out of business.


    he hits a buy it now or bids one of our pepperdoodles lots on stuff he can mega retail and more power to him for it.

    Would you let him return a coin he didn't like?


    our relationship that once was heavy wholesaling to him was one that went south some 10-12 years ago over too much haggling.
    how about, i said that coin had already been in many times trying to get the dcam right there in the listing. sego just didnt know it was me and STILL thought he might make the triple hit,then wants to renege. he's a coin dealer,no innocent victom. he was taking his own chances just like the rest of us. I'm sure the coin is already gone to the first person he offered it to seeing that it was in fact right there at dcam's doorstep. he got what i described and what he paid for. coin for quality it was as well as price for the quality...and no it wasnt a "coin he didnt like" he just saw he wasnt going to get it into a triple up dcam holder and come up with all that bunk to not be responsible for his pcgs graded purchase. it DOES NOT get any more simple than that. and what would you know anyway weenie,er i mean meanie? you hadnt got a clue about professional cameo dealing, that is VERY obvious at this point. you're just a little stand behind the bully type saying "yeah, yeah, that's right" you remind me of of a sixth grader who needs his head knocked off hiding behind the guise of another's pile on...you little CHUMP !

    Perhaps it was another reason? Perhaps too much hyping and not haggling?


    something i dont have the time nor patience for.

    You also don't have time or patience for satisfying your customers. Slash and burn appears to be your technique. Before you spout off, prove me wrong. Make segoja whole again.



    we slab more proofs and cams in the 50-70 era than any one single submitter in the country

    According to who? I wasn't aware the grading services kept these broken down statistics.


    and i stick to wholesaling for the most part.

    How about wholesaling segoja's coin for him at the price he paid?



    it's the chumps,wannabees and dubya's,segos that muck it up trying to make an easy fatrat buck off another's back that dont settle well with any of us pros.

    If you're a pro in this business, then it should be easy for the novices to see what is so wrong with this business.


    ....they are leaches,follow the leaders types,etc and cant achieve what the 4 or 5 of us have in this field,being val,rick,capper,finley and myself and a few others that know their stuff and know how to make it work while doing it right,

    You do it "right"? Not according to segoja. In fact, I would guess he would say the opposite. You do it wrong. If you do it right, then be 1/10th the man and dealer you claim to be and take back his coin for 100% of the purchase price. Come on now, show everyone on this forum how great you really are. >>

  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    yuk
  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    greg, (heh) you're a little peon. SHUT UP BOY and go to bed and try to dream of being something in the coin industry

    doops (pepperdoodles on eBay), if I'm such a little peon, then why do you continue to send me emails begging me to stop speaking the truth about you?
  • fishcookerfishcooker Posts: 3,446 ✭✭
    I am DCAMFranklin....


  • << <i>greg, (heh) you're a little peon. SHUT UP BOY and go to bed and try to dream of being something in the coin industry

    doops (pepperdoodles on eBay), if I'm such a little peon, then why do you continue to send me emails begging me to stop speaking the truth about you? >>


    greggiepoo, you wouldnt know the truth even you wanted to or if it whacked you upside the head you live such a false-front lie on this forum. me emailing you begging you to stop posting the truth ? what a hysterical joke!! you mean me emailing your kidself informing you what price you will pay for your ramblings you keep up over here in attempting to do intential damage to us by cahooting with chumpeo and a couple others and running all your bs out here. you are pathetic and nobody believes any of your crap and they know that you dont even know us,have never met us and are just trying to appear important over here on these chat boards. we have recieved many emails and phone calls about you so we already know you are. just a little punk boy playing man. anyone interested in the emails of me telling him exactly how it is going to be if he kept it up may request a verbatim forward of such.
    ASK LUCYBOP. he tried editing out several he sent talking all that BIG talk. then he sent a different edited version of them to lucy,so i sent her the FULL emails he kind of uhhh,left out the selfincriminating part. i forwarded lucy and about a dozen others the same email so they would know your game. the EXACT verabtim email you sent us. you want hardball,i'll give it to you.
  • NumisEdNumisEd Posts: 1,336
    Let me guess doops, you were the play ground bully who used to beat up all of the coin collecting nerds at recess. Am I correct? It's over...let it go. We don't need the hostility here. Poops, let's all just get along and talk about coins.
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    yuk
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    Think this can outlast the thread of death?
  • NumisEdNumisEd Posts: 1,336
    DorkKarl, your use of one syllable words is rather potent and inspiring. Just think what you could do with multiple syllable words.
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    yuk-yuk


  • << <i>Let me guess doops, you were the play ground bully who used to beat up all of the coin collecting nerds at recess. Am I correct? It's over...let it go. We don't need the hostility here. Poops, let's all just get along and talk about coins. >>


    ed,i would agree to that but i'm not sitting here and watching the likes of these kidiots post all their bunk. i love coins,dealing and the comraderie,sharing of pics,stories,etc. but unfortunately you got punks like a few on here who are just trying to be troublemakers...they would obvioulsy need to get off at the next exit with their crap traps. if they were doing the same to you,you'd be telling them how it is as well
  • NumisEdNumisEd Posts: 1,336
    yuk

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