Heres a Pretty Lady and she was born in 1879! (Morgan)

LucyBop · January 21, 2003 12:38AM

A stunning Morgan, another excellent coin by Doops!!!

Do you Like??????

ccrdragon · January 21, 2003 12:41AM

Are the reds on the coin or is that reflected light? If the reds are there, that is an outstanding coin (ok, it's an outstanding coin even if the reds aren't there)!

Hey - what gives?!?!? Ain't no Frankie on that there coin!?!?!?!?!

ccr · January 21, 2003 12:45AM

I like! I like! Nice catch.

JeffinMich · January 21, 2003 12:59AM

Nice cameo and mirrors! I need one of those in 66DMPL!

airplanenut · January 21, 2003 12:59AM

That better be DMPL! Glad to see you've gotten away from Frankies

dragon · January 21, 2003 1:05AM

That is a very nice piece! Believe it or not, the 79-S is a surprisingly tough coin to find in true MS65DMPL or above, and especially so with strong contrast. Many people incorrectly group this date in with the 1880-S or with the 1881-S (which is another surprisingly tough date in DMPL WITH a strong cameo).

Many 1879-S's are only marginally deep and sometimes come dipped out, or with only so-so contrast, a coin like the one pictured by Lucy is underrated and a keeper IMO.

dragon

paigowjohnny · January 21, 2003 1:06AM

<< That better be DMPL! Glad to see you've gotten away from Frankies >>

Lucy...I echo airplanenut's sentiment...leave the Frankies !!! Come to the wonderful world of Morgans

oilydog · January 21, 2003 2:43AM

Hello new here. What is the actual grade assigned by ANACS. I believe that is what holder it is in. I would have serious doubts that this coin would grade above 63DMPL in a PCGS holder. Probably a 62DMPL. The picture has been digitally massaged. The frosty devices are covered with scrapes and frost breaks. There are hairlines visible at four oclock on the obverse. I dont think this coin will look anywhere near this good in your hand.

ara · January 21, 2003 2:47AM

<< Do you Like?????? >>

I like!

Hadleydog · January 21, 2003 3:03AM

That is a beautiful piece, especially for a 79-S.

Thank you for sharing her.

asnooker · January 21, 2003 3:08AM

Just one more beautiful morgan....they are going to be my undoing! I can't keep my hands off of them! The hubby has given me the ultimatum...more morgans or him.....hmmmm Tough choice. STOP POSTING THEM PLEASEEEEEEE! It's killen me! LOL

MadMonk · January 21, 2003 3:13AM

I see two pretty ladies, one in the icon, and one in the msg area. The one in the icon area appears to be ms70, very natural. The other coin doesnt quite compare to the first, but not too shabby. That first one is a tough act to follow

Twowood · January 21, 2003 4:31AM

You're right Lucy, she is a beauty but I still think the prettiest coin gal I've seen is the one on the Peace dollars. Twowood

Russ · January 21, 2003 4:39AM

<< Hello new here. What is the actual grade assigned by ANACS. I believe that is what holder it is in. I would have serious doubts that this coin would grade above 63DMPL in a PCGS holder. Probably a 62DMPL. The picture has been digitally massaged. The frosty devices are covered with scrapes and frost breaks. There are hairlines visible at four oclock on the obverse. I dont think this coin will look anywhere near this good in your hand. >>

Oilydog,

Welcome aboard! Interesting very first post. Please enlighten us as to how you know so much about this coin. IE; Anacs holder, the picture's been massaged, etc. Share your expertise.

Russ, NCNE

ajaan · January 21, 2003 4:44AM

If you look in the upper left of the reverse photo, there is the ANACS logo.

MadMonk · January 21, 2003 4:44AM

<< Welcome aboard! Interesting very first post. Please enlighten us as to how you know so much about this coin. IE; Anacs holder, the picture's been massaged, etc. Share your expertise.

Russ, NCNE >>

Hey Russ, Is that an ANACS logo on the upper left of the rev. symbol?

Russ · January 21, 2003 5:14AM

MadMonk,

It is indeed. Blame it on my tired old eyes.

Russ, NCNE

ClarkOfKent · January 21, 2003 5:24AM

oilydog, Welcome to the forum.

What aspect of the images do you think are digitally massaged? I checked 'em out, and I can't see any evidence of tweaking... such as painting over, etc. Brightness, contrast, hue... that's a bit harder to determine. These things often have to be tweaked to make it more realistic. Bottom line.. I don't see any deceitful photo-doctoring here. Can you clarify your statement?

Lucy, Regardless of what the grade is... that dollar has super eye-appeal! You did good... now, get back to your Frankies!

doops · January 21, 2003 5:26AM

<<

A stunning Morgan, another excellent coin by Doops!!!

Do you Like?????? >>

IT HAS BEAUTIFUL REDS,GOLDS AND ORANGES THICKLY ON BOTH PERIPHERIES JUST LIKE LUCY'S PICS
CAME OUT. IT IS IN AN ANACS 64 ULTRA DEEP MIRROR HOLDER AND IS INDEED THE MOST ULTRA CAMEO 79-S DOLLAR I HAVE EVER HAD WITHOUT REGARD TO NUMERICAL GRADE WITH FULL PROOF QUALITY FULL ARM'S LENGTH "SHAVE YOUR BEARD IN" MIRRORS. IT DOES SHOW LOTS OF FROST BREAKS HOWEVER THEY ARE SHALLOW AND SHOW BADLY DUE TO THE OVERWHELMING THICKNESS OF THE CAMEO. I THINK IT WOULD STILL GO 64 AT PCGS BUT I DONT CARE,IT'S A KEEPER. YOU JUST DO NOT FIND FULL BONIFIDE ULTRA CAMEO ON EVERY RAISED INKLING 79-S DOLLARS WITH PROOF-NO LUSTER AT ALL MIRRORS. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THIS BEAUTY WITH YOU ALL. I LUV THIS COIN !!!!!!!!!!
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Russ · January 21, 2003 5:28AM

Hey Clark,

I thought you were in China loading up on fake Trade Dollars.

Russ, NCNE

ClarkOfKent · January 21, 2003 5:49AM

Russ,

I leave Sunday. Good news.... the hotel has wide-band internet access in the rooms!

doops · January 21, 2003 5:51AM

<< oilydog, Welcome to the forum.

What aspect of the images do you think are digitally massaged? I checked 'em out, and I can't see any evidence of tweaking... such as painting over, etc. Brightness, contrast, hue... that's a bit harder to determine. These things often have to be tweaked to make it more realistic. Bottom line.. I don't see any deceitful photo-doctoring here. Can you clarify your statement?

Lucy, Regardless of what the grade is... that dollar has super eye-appeal! You did good... now, get back to your Frankies!

>>

hey clarkofkent,i know coins. i couldnt begin to tell you how to "tweak" or "massage" or "enhance" anything. i'm a computer 101 basic functions only kind of guy and i only know how to hit the scan button on a scanner and save a pic or snap the button on my sony fd75 camera. all these settings are factory "auto" or "neautral". furthermore, i dont want to know how to "pull a stunt" either because it pisses me off when i get something in that has actually been fudged and dont look like it does on line as as it does in your hand live. in fact, if i cant get a raw coin or a slab to look like in a pic or scan the way it does in normal room lights i wont even run the darn thing because i dont want that accusation thrown at me. although a few cheap-shot chicken-chumps have tried to impune our integrity with such nonsense. and you all know who i'm referring to i'm sure. and those of you in the business legitimately that we've known most of you for 20-25 years, ya'll know better.
also folks, i hate to ramble so much about it but whether some of you think it true or not we do stand up honest business and that's the only way i would have it whether any of you or God himself was looking over my shoulder,i'm gonna do straight business. which is why i get so pissed off when others dont and i go off the deep end about it when they try to make it sound that way about us. you can like me or not,but i go to bed every night with knowing i did the right thing on every deal even if i have to put up a fuss over it to prove a point.

MrKelso · January 21, 2003 6:55AM

I love it lucy, can i have it?

DCAMFranklin · January 21, 2003 7:52AM

Here is another of Ol'Pepperdoodles', doops, new Morgan silver dollars

NTC dmpl

oilydog · January 21, 2003 8:11AM

Hello, Russ thanks for the welcome. Yes the anacs logo is in the picture. As far as digital enhancment goes there are so many computer programs out there to work with photos it is unreal. They all have features which will allow you to saturate, add or change color and there are millions of variations. In this image the coin is obviously a toned DMPL and I think the toning is real. My problem is with the grade only. Both pictures have a background color which is exactly the same. This is saturation. You can boost that and cover such stuff as hairlines(except really big ones like at 4.00 oclock). It will also mask the millions of frost breaks on the cameo surfaces of the coin. In person those would be really ugly. The feilds in the prime focal areas are full of chatter which would make the fields more cloudy and disruptive to light reflection. Hence the grade. I stand by my remark. PCGS will only grade that coin at a 63DMPL max. Most likely a 62DMPL. Im not trying to be unkind, but I think we are more helpful if we are able to talk rationally about things. I do like the color on the coin but alas, that is only 1/4 of the grading process.

LucyBop · January 21, 2003 8:28AM

One thing you dont realize oilydoggie is that you are talking to one of the more noted and skilled persons in Russ at taking photos of both proof and mint state coins.....

Dog97 · January 21, 2003 9:09AM

So what is the grade? ANACS 64 dmpl, PCGS 63 dmpl or if you go by NGC's new DMPL standards it wouldn't be a dmpl??
It looks like it has nice real contrast.
Lucy are you just posting doop's coin for him or is this yours?

LucyBop · January 21, 2003 9:10AM

I am posting the coin for doops......

kobrakoins · January 21, 2003 9:15AM

Oooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

doops · January 21, 2003 9:30AM

<< Here is another of Ol'Pepperdoodles', doops, new Morgan silver dollars

NTC dmpl >>

as i already said dchumpeo from wannabe land even NTC makes stupid mistakes sometimes like you do quite routinely. and bythe way, thank you for your patronism evenif it is in an indirect substandard way,it's still the same to me. IDIOT. that 81-cc coin is already out to pcgs and it is a high-end 64+ full dmpl cameo. IDIOT ! you should not screw your deals up they will always haunt you. you will learn the hard way. plus,watch your asscociations,they're going down too

oilydog · January 21, 2003 9:49AM

I believe the owner stated ANACS UDM64. As for the color problem, all of the raised surfaces on both the obverse and reverse are the same light yellow or gold color, even the denticles just prior to the reeding except where the tone is very deep. That is highly unusual and doesnt look real. Also the red tone at the top of the obverse is under the yellow and has trouble showing through. Ive never seen a toned Morgan which was toned on part of the surface and then had all of the surfaces overlaid with the same gold patina. Ive seen gold patina on all of a Morgan, just not on a radically toned Morgan. I suppose there is a first time but I would reserve my right to look at this particular coin in person before I said it looked good or bad!

dragon · January 21, 2003 11:48AM

doops,

That 81-CC looks like a really nice piece, if that pic is accurate and that scratch is on the holder, it's a PQ 64DM if not a full 65, even at PCGS. I've seen worse 81-CC's in PCGS 65DM holders. BTW...if that 79-S in 64UDM is yours, is it for sale??

dragon

fairtraderzz · January 21, 2003 12:01PM

She is a Sweeet little catch.. *wink*

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oilydog · January 21, 2003 12:23PM

I would be happy to purchase the 1879-S in the ANACS 64UDM holder as well if you would send it on approval. I would still have to look at it in person before I chose to buy or pass.

doops · January 21, 2003 1:18PM

<< doops,

That 81-CC looks like a really nice piece, if that pic is accurate and that scratch is on the holder, it's a PQ 64DM if not a full 65, even at PCGS. I've seen worse 81-CC's in PCGS 65DM holders. BTW...if that 79-S in 64UDM is yours, is it for sale??

dragon >>

hey dragon, that must have been a piece of lint when robert took the pics. when the coin got in i knew right off the bat it was vise-grip slap on the floor time for that puppy. it WILL come back a 64dmpl from pcgs and centles's pics are not the best, the CAMEO was super frosty and ssssssstout ! and mirrors very platelike,no bad hits in the focal areas and really deep and rolling. in or out of ANY holder i can grade coins. i buy coins not plastic. i sell coins,not plastic. some just need the major services opinions especially in the higher caliber stuff to make a "comfortable" purchase and ease of future resale. it is precisely and technically very pq, clean cheeked,high-end ms64.7 strong cameo deeply mirrored dollar. PERIOD.
DCHUMWPEO just cant stand it that he cant do what a pro does as routine is why he tries to make issue out of the fact i bought a rip from robert johnson that just so happen to be in an NTC holder. SO WHAT??
as keets would say (with a little adlib) knowledge is power,DCHUMPS ignorance is a blitch! heh...that was a good one....he'll pay for his blunders,DEARLY...

doops · January 21, 2003 1:25PM

<< I would be happy to purchase the 1879-S in the ANACS 64UDM holder as well if you would send it on approval. I would still have to look at it in person before I chose to buy or pass. >>

oh,oh,oily pup you want to dog me out like i've done enhanced or done some trickery with the AWESOMENESS of that coin but now you'd be a willing buyer?.....Phhhhh! IT AINT FOR SALE ....head off to
the corner sit down, hyke the leg up like a dog would do and get the oil off...EH?
heh,sandy thought that a good one....we're both sitting here LOL....

DCAMFranklin · January 21, 2003 2:51PM

<< 

<< Here is another of Ol'Pepperdoodles', doops, new Morgan silver dollars

NTC dmpl >>

as i already said dchumpeo from wannabe land even NTC makes stupid mistakes sometimes like you do quite routinely. and bythe way, thank you for your patronism evenif it is in an indirect substandard way,it's still the same to me. IDIOT. that 81-cc coin is already out to pcgs and it is a high-end 64+ full dmpl cameo. IDIOT ! you should not screw your deals up they will always haunt you. you will learn the hard way. plus,watch your asscociations,they're going down too >>

See Russ-
Ol'Pepperdoodles, doops, says the NTC grade is DEAD-ON, maybe even undergraded. That is your new bestest buddy telling you that NTC just like PCGS.

doops · January 21, 2003 3:21PM

<< 

<< 

<< Here is another of Ol'Pepperdoodles', doops, new Morgan silver dollars

NTC dmpl >>

as i already said dchumpeo from wannabe land even NTC makes stupid mistakes sometimes like you do quite routinely. and bythe way, thank you for your patronism evenif it is in an indirect substandard way,it's still the same to me. IDIOT. that 81-cc coin is already out to pcgs and it is a high-end 64+ full dmpl cameo. IDIOT ! you should not screw your deals up they will always haunt you. you will learn the hard way. plus,watch your asscociations,they're going down too >>

See Russ-
Ol'Pepperdoodles, doops, says the NTC grade is DEAD-ON, maybe even undergraded. That is your new bestest buddy telling you that NTC just like PCGS. >>

chumpweo, go back to bed and work that resume back up to keep your day job,you're gonna need it..

DCAMFranklin · January 21, 2003 3:54PM

With 12 recent purchases from Centsles, all NTC holdered coins, I guess NTC is your new 3rd party grading service of choice. Is that right Pepperdoodles, I mean doops?

DCAMFranklin · January 21, 2003 3:57PM

<< I would be happy to purchase the 1879-S in the ANACS 64UDM holder as well if you would send it on approval. I would still have to look at it in person before I chose to buy or pass. >>

Be careful there Oilydog, Ol'Pepperdoodles, doops, doesn't let ANYone have a return priviliege. You better hold on to your money and spend it with someone other than this vest-pocket, wanna' be.

oilydog · January 21, 2003 9:59PM

Bow Wow Lucy Bop, thank you for being nice to me and calling me oilydoggie. I like that. Dogs have to use their noses lots, sometimes to see who ate the pie. Thats why I was sniffing at that coin to make sure it was the right pie. And another thing, dogs dont care who likes to be voyeuristic and watch them do things to themselves. Dog watching must be popular in your neighborhood Doops.

LucyBop · January 21, 2003 10:02PM

<< Bow Wow Lucy Bop, thank you for being nice to me and calling me oilydoggie. >>

There are many wonderful doggies who post here..... You will meet them (if you haven't already) all soon enough...

Heres a Pretty Lady and she was born in 1879! (Morgan)

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