PL and DMPL on non-Morgan business strikes

keoj

Just looking for info as I don't have the latest PCGS Pop report.

1) Other than Morgans, is there any other series which gets a PL or DMPL designation on business strikes?

2) Would people be in favor of PL or DMPL on other series?

keoj

dorkkarl

1 - yes
2 - pl yes, dmpl no

K S

keoj

Thanks....what series gets PL other than Morgans?

EVillageProwler

Keoj,

If you wanna see my TD w/ obv dmpl, go across the street and read TDN's thread re what makes a proof.

EVP

keoj

Thanks EVP, I'll check it out. I was just interested in what other series PCGS has allowed PL designations on. The concept of Proof and PL is a little elusive at times for me.

I always thought that a Proof was:
1) Made with specially polished dies
2) Care in the blank planchet
3) Potentially double struck
4) Specially handled before the strike and after the strike.

I always thought that PL/DMPL were the results of:
1) Good dies? (Old Proof dies)
2) A great blank planchet
3) Luck of handling that allowed it to go through the rest of the process relatively mark free.

Why just Morgans (or other series that was the original question) get this designation?

keoj

dragon

I am not aware of any series other than Morgans that have been designated PL or DMPL by PCGS.

dragon

prooflike

ANACS gives out PL designation to non-Morgans where warranted.

airplanenut

I have also seen SQs designated PL by NGC...

I think PL is from a well polished planchet thus the effect of proofs (which are very heavily polished planchets) shows up, depending on the dies polish, as well.

Jeremy

shirohniichan

Just to confuse things, this is what "prooflike" means north of the border:

1) Made with specially polished dies
2) Care in the blank planchet
3) Struck once on slower moving equipment
4) Specially handled before the strike and after the strike.

I've always assumed prooflikes were the first coins struck from newly polished dies (when referring to US coins). I've seen lots of coins with small areas of mirrored surfaces, and I assume that area of the die was polished after the removal of rust or damage.

From what I've read, the Carson City Mint was especially good at polishing dies before striking Morgans. Perhaps since most circulation coins weren't struck from such carefully prepared dies, prooflike finishes are less common and thus not noted. Many 1875 20 cent pieces have mirrored fields, but I've never seen one with a PL designation.

dorkkarl

oops, didn't realize you meant "only pcgs". in that case, i don't know. but i have seen anacs, pci, segs designate many other coins as "pl", including barbers, columbian halves, seateds, etc. oddly, not very many "moderns" (slq's, wlh's, etc). i suspect that sometiems the "pl" designation is used to avoid the viewer confusing the b.s.'s w/ actual proofs, especially where a huge price discrepancy occurs.

K S