Washingtons - Shot at 67?

clackamas

Washingtons are not my forte but given the number of marks if these were Lincolns they would have a good shot at 67. What do you think?

Obverses
Reverses

BTW I have never submitted these I was just thinking of doing so.

Warning the images are big 1/2MB so if you are on a modem beware.

dan1ecu

Well, I’m no Washington quarter expert, but I’ve tried to have a few NGC MS67's crossed to PCGS, and they wouldn’t do it. Maybe PCGS is particularly tough on Washingtons, I don’t know. You might have better luck with NGC if PCGS won’t give them a 67.

Dan

airplanenut

The top one (1954) is out- it has two hits below the Y in LIBERTY. The 1955 also seems a little hit... The 1944 is the only one I think could have a chance, but no guarantees.

Jeremy

MacCoin

they may have a short at 65 if you're lucky but you ain't going to get any 67. they are really banged up to much for that good of a grade.

KlectorKid

The 44 has some nicks on the Obv. which will keep it at 66 the 54 has some scrapes on the rev and the 55 has it share of marks also. grading services these days seam to be hard on 67+ Washingtons, I think they would give these 66's.

clackamas

No offence to the 65 but I have 2 PCGS 65's right here and these coins are far better than that.

KlectorKid

I dont think any of these would get lower than 66.

Android

I would say that the 1954 S in a solid MS66. The 1944 shows some rub (or a weak strike) on the hair above Georges ear and forehead but has a beautiful reverse. It is a solid MS64 with a shot at MS65. The 1955 has too many marks obverse and reverse for anything above MS64. It is VERY difficult to find 55's in high grades.

Just my observation based on scans ( we know what that means ).

Good luck!

Andy

dakra

Are you guys for real? (I don't mean that in a mean spirited way) but I have a bunch of silver washington's that I have in my collection that I decided not to have graded because I didn't think it was worthwhile and would not grade high enough. In these pictures, as with my coins, I look at anything MS66 or higher as something with "flowing" hair (in which the hair is well defined) of course, I'm not a professional grader so I would rather hear more on this subject, perhaps I will learn something.

I think the 1955 is the best of the bunch, is that wear on his cheek?

-Dave

fantasiize

My guesses are:
- the 44 is probably a MS65 (close to MS66, but doubt it),
- the 54 is a MS64 to MS64+, and
- the 55 is a MS63+ to MS64

sinin1

I like the 1954-S the most, would go MS66 - tops

darktone

The 1954 and 1944 ms65 and the 1955 ms64.They are very nice coins. mike

clackamas

I agree the 55 is not as nice as I thought. All 3 came out of original rolls so there is no wear. Some luster breaks. no mark on any of the coins is severe like you see on many quarters and halves just some light contact on the 55, I guess just in too many spots. The 44 reverse is perfect with just a couple of contact marks on the obv. The 54 rev does have a very well hidden nick and there is a light contact mark below the "Y" in liberty. Kind of a shame these luster breaks would be hidden by toning. I guess my grading on Washingtons need some honing. I try to think that if I shrunk the coin down to the size of a penny could the coin make an MS67 cent. This was my reasoning and belief that the 54-S had a shot as well as the 44-P.

kaleidoscopic

I'd say three 64's, maybe a single 65. In the last 6 months I've recieved nearly 30 66's. I thought for sure I had a couple of 67's to say the least.
They are VERY stringent on 67 graded Washingtons. I scratch my head when I see some of the 67's out there. At one point, I thought dealers recieved higher grades than a normal dude like myself.
A couple of crackouts later, 2 single point upgrades and 3 stayed 66
in a dealer submission.
I think DHall said that "ownership adds a point". This may be the case, but I feel as strong about my coins as anyone else would.
Kscope

MacCoin

anyone have a 67 washinton photo to show off here because these coins don't come close to 67. sorry but its true

kaleidoscopic

No need to apologize for your opinion. I won't for mine. I don't see any 67's there unless that picture has a 1967 in it.
Allow some time to pass and see what other accepted individuals think and go from there.
By the way, Mac, what kind of snake is that? Kscope

darktone

Here's a picture of a NGC ms67. Sorry but everything I have is darktoned. mike

kaleidoscopic

I've have dark toned 67's, white 67's and lightly toned 67's. You will have some more allowable marks on tones since they aren't as visible, and they get the benefit of being toned. It depends on where the mark is as much as how bad it is.
Grading is no different from my opinion to the next guys. They are more experienced at it. Go with what they've done in the past.
Kscope

in regards to PCGS grader's past grading

Colorfulcoins

1940P PCGS MS67 for comparison. This is as close to white as I can provide.

Android

Here's a 1937 NGC MS67

Android

And a VERY bright 1939 D MS67*

abuell

George Washington (1732-1799) did die at the age of 67, but he sure was not shot!

Spinynorman

Here's an ICG MS66 that I think might have a chance of making the same grade by PCGS.

oreville

1944 MS-62 or even much less down to an AU-58........very weak strike on the reverse.......also look at the sideburns, a definite luster break there ......many myself included, would consider that one a commercial unc as this coin suffers badly from stacking. The coin also has slightly subdued luster although it has some of the pretty toning.

1954-S MS-64....only because 1954-S usually come so nice and it does not quite make a full gem. This coin is extremely weakly struck on the obverse and reverse as well.

1955 MS-64 nearly a PQ. Nice luster and better struck but has more chatter. But a very pleasing coin to own.

IrishMike

These are tough coins to grade unless you have looked at a whole lot of them. I think Oreville has them right, the 44 might stretch to a 63 but I doubt it.

dorkkarl

imo

1954 - ms-64+
1944 - au-55
1955 - ms-64

of interest to me is the die-scratch at the top of gw's head on the 1955. i have been studying that particular obv. hub for some time. anyone else ever notice that that identical die-scratch appears on other dates? (hint...)

K S

dorkkarl

btw, i don't know if you care, but i went to http://www.videoencoding.com/cimages/ & was able to see what i think is a list of all your images. i've noted this w/ other member's links, & just bring it up in case it may be a security concern. 1 time (not on this forum), i went into such a directory, & the guy had family photos & such listed. could lead to embarrassing, if not dangerous, situations.

K S

CharlieB

I don't mean to be a Cassandra but I can't see them getting a 67.
I submit Washington's all the time and even 66 is hard to get with
semi-keys. With the more common dates your chances increase slightly.
You can get the 67 easier with PCGS if you are lucky enough to have
the right color to go with the coin. Just a little toning around the
edges in a just few places goes a long way with this service.

I go through rolls and then suddenly find a Washington with that 67
obverse, get all excited and then flip it over only to find that
single hit in the wrong place that that I know eliminates the 67.
What I bummer, but I send it in anyway.

I certainly don't waste my time sending any rare Washington's to them
anymore. I find that it's an immediate downgrade when they get them.

Spinynorman

<< <i>btw, i don't know if you care, but i went to http://www.videoencoding.com/cimages/ & was able to see what i think is a list of all your images. i've noted this w/ other member's links, & just bring it up in case it may be a security concern. 1 time (not on this forum), i went into such a directory, & the guy had family photos & such listed. could lead to embarrassing, if not dangerous, situations.

K S >>



I think that is clackamas's server, Karl. Some of the other coins on the list are from this thread.

dorkkarl

oops! ok, thanks. shows why i'm not a computer guru!

K S

AbesNeighbor

I agree with Fantasize and believe he is right on the money. I thought that MS67 - MS70 was researved for very "Special" coins. While these coins are nice they certainly are not "Special".

cosmicdebris

Look HERE for some pictures of some PCGS MS67 Wshington Quarters.

clackamas

Take a look at the 52-S, the 48, the 46-D, in that last link.

Karl, What are you refering to with regards to the 55? I see many dates with a similar die break in the same spot. Is this a die crack in the master hub? On closer inspection the 55 looks like it may have a doubled date.

Yes, this is my server and that directory is where I put coinimages I want to show people.

dorkkarl

<< <i>Karl, What are you refering to with regards to the 55? I see many dates with a similar die break in the same spot. Is this a die crack in the master hub? >>

bingo! & that is not supposed to happen. haven't seen anything by any of the varieties guys about this phenomenon, but i have seen exactly that same die crack on dates back to 1949 (i believe - don't have my notes in front of me). i'm not a specialist in hub varieties - it would be extremely interesting if anyone out there knows. a master hub w/ a die-crack would have to be something pretting danged special.

K S

clackamas

I have a 43-S That I also believe may be a DDO with the die crack in the head. I also have a 45-S with the die crack and its an OMM. Its very faint on the 45-S but it is there.