If the grade don't fit, you must resubmit

The53Kid

I think GemMint has started a theme for the month......

...but I do have a real life situation. Check out this link to a 69 Aaron PSA 9 OC I got back. Granted is is definitely OC, but the guidelines say a 9 must be at least 35-65. How close am I here 33-66? Do you think there is any hope of getting the OC knocked off? What about getting it dropped to an 8 without the OC. I don't want to give up on this card because it is beautiful otherwise.

1969 Aaron

And I could have sworn there was talk about submitting cards to PSA and specifying minimum grades or specifying no qualifiers. Can you really do that? I don't see that anywhere on the submission form.

Thanks

LuxuryWines

53Kid,

You are right that card is a beauty.... I get 33 -67 Top to Bottom on the centering ... You can ask for No qualifiers on your submission I believe the procedure is to write no qulaifiers on your submission form .... However if you did this with this card you would have a straight PSA 7 . as the minimum centering gidelines for an 8 are 65/35.. Althoug h they do say "approxiamately" in the 8 description so you may get a PSA 8.

braves72078

A very nice card and one I would think deserves an 8, but who knows just my opinion.


Billy

KING KELLOGG

The53Kid...

I come up with these numbers (borders, black line to edge of card).

top..............37.50%
bottom........62.50%
left..............48.85%
right............51.15%

What about that spot on the top edge (middle of the card)?

Thanks for the BIG picture.



Larry

Stump

53Kid That type of card may need a resubmission. I for one would try it.

Dave

mikeschmidt

The53Kid:

If you want your cards graded with No qualifiers -- write that big and brightly someone on the submission form. It is not indicated anywhere on the form, though PSA does in fact offer the service. That is very close to PSA 9 -- but the t/b may be (ever so) slightly distracting to keep it at the 9o/c or 8 level.

toppsgun

You've been slighted. That card is not o/c IMO. I think they WANT you to resubmit it. Another very wise '69 collector, Ron Sanders, once told me he sometimes has to submit the same card several times to get the grade it deserves.

If that nick on the top edge is a flaw in the card, it's probably only an 8. If it's the scan or something else, it's a straight 9. The grader does have the leeway to bend the centering guidelines for a card if the eye appeal of the card is good. To me, top-to-bottom centering is the direction I'd give leeway to, more than side-to-side.

1954

I think it could be in a straight PSA 8 holder.

1954

VoodooChile

Crack that sucker out!! Carefully

thegemmintman

The53Kid, I would resubmit it myself because I think that "the grade don't fit", and you may get a grader who's in a forgiving mood.

Now let's talk royalties everytime someone uses my catch phrase .

waitilltheytrytosell

You don't have to measure in all directions. The only place you need to measure is where the card is off-center the most. It has a slight tilt to it. The card is most off-center top to bottom on the left hand side of the card. You measure it just when the black line straightens out from the loop. I downloaded the image to Microsoft Paint, zoomed in, and counted the pixels. It measures 14 at the top and 33 at the bottom. The card measures Top-29.8/70.2 Bottom. Although the card "measures badly", it really doesn't give the appearance of being badly off-center. Although you are at the top limit technically for an 8, it should get an 8 if you send it back and ask them to take a look at it and put a straight 8 on it if they can.

waitilltheytrytosell

On a side note, if this card had the same exact centering left to right, it would look much worse. You probably never even would have bothered sending it in. Rotate the image 90º and take a look.

murcerfan

PSA determines centering by comparing the measurements of the borders from left to right and top to bottom. The centering is designated as the percent of difference at the most off-center part of the card. A 5% leeway is given to the front centering minimum standards for cards which grade NM7 or better. For example, a card which meets all of the other requirements for MT 9 and measures 60/40 off center on the front automatically meets the PSA front centering standards for MT 9. If a card meets all of the other requirements for MT 9 and measures 65/35 off center on the front, it may be deemed to meet the PSA front centering standards for MT 9 if the eye appeal of the card is good.
Cards with centering below the minimum standards for the grade will be designated OC. For example, a PSA Mint 9 card which is more than 65/35 off center on the front would be graded Mint 9 OC.

waitilltheytrytosell

murcer - You are incorrect in your interpretation of centering requirements. In the Feb. SMR page 36, under the title of Qualifiers - OC, it is pretty clear. The 5% leeway is figured in on the range given on the specific grades. The range for a PSA 9 is 60/40 to 65/35, not 5% leeway on top of that. As they say under the OC description, "if the eye appeal is good". An 8 range is 65/35 to 70/30. So a card like the Aaron, although at the top limit of an 8, could get the straight 8 because the eye appeal is good. If it was off-center side to side and 70/30, it would be less likely because the eye appeal is not good.

The53Kid

Thanks to all for the supportive responses. I think I will defintely give it another try with no qualifiers.

And I really liked the MSPaint trick of counting pixels. I was wondering how everyone was coming up with their numbers. Anyone else want to supply their ideas on what tools they use to measure the cards. Next time I have a card I consider on the verge of OC, I'd really like to measure it myself first before submission.

Thanks!

KING KELLOGG

The53Kid...

Being a General Contractor...I just went to the job site and grabbed one of those overpaid journeymen carpenters that were just standing around (like always...) and had him pull out his Stanley tape measure and get a fix on those borders...

He said it was give or take a certain number, and I told him I wanted a perfect closed measurment...He said "Maybe I should caulk the edges then"......


Oh 'well....



Just for fun...



Larry

Caramels

"If I REsend it in......The POP won't be Thin! "

zardoz51

You got hosed on the grade IMHO

I don't like the nick in the top for a Mint card, but that is a solid 8

Caramels

"If the grade is Bunk.You must E-bay dump"