Results of PCGS 32S grade review

09sVDB

As some might remember, about two weeks ago I submitted my PCGS AU58 Washington Quarter for grade review. Today I got a phone call from Sandy Locker saying that the coin was not whizzed, but did have some hairlines and the grade will stand. It was a close call but worth a try for review.

Placid

Some hairlines on a ms coin? Is that common?

Russ

Placid,

Hairlines aren't always caused by whizzing or harsh cleaning. You should see some of the hairlined to hell halves I've pulled from proof sets.

Russ, NCNE

Tonelover

I've seen the coin and the lines are pretty severe if I recall correctly. Hairlines are common on circ and MS coins and are as much of a detracting factor as bagmarks. THis one has a number of fairly deep lines crisscrossing the portrait, much more than a little wipe.

I would tell them to take a really good picture so there's no mistake, and that you're going to crack and resubmit it. Then see what happens after that. No don't crack that ocin, but it would be interesting.

kaleidoscopic

Tonelover, comrade in tones, aren't the hairlines from die polishing?
This is a minted condition I suppose. They actually downgrade for that?

Kscope

Placid

Hairlines from die polishing are raised on the coins surface. Hairlines from cleaning,friction and such go into the surface.

kaleidoscopic

Placid, gotcha. Just like diecracks. If these were etched in the surface, on the coin in question, wouldn't they raise eyebrows if they crisscrossed?
Kscope

TomB

As per Placid's comment, die polish lines are typically not termed hairlines and are well known by the grading services as mint made attributes of a coin and will not knock a coin out of the MS range. An AU58 coin can have hairlines on it either from circulation or from storage, however, if it truly has detectable wear then the hairlines are likely from circulation.

kaleidoscopic

10-4. Thanks, fellas. Kscope

RotatedRainbows

Here is an example of die polishing, as you can see they got a little carried away on this 1871 shield nickel when trying to remove the clash marks. They did ok on the obverse as it is cameo prooflike but did not do as good of a job on the reverse, the coin still managed to get an MS 64 grade from NGC in 1988-89.

Fairlaneman

Wow a bunch of Die Polish on that nickle. Looks to have a nice Die Break also.

Do people confuse hairlines and slide marks ? Or does everyone just consider them both as hairlining. I consider each as a different item. Hairlines from circulation or cleaning and Slide Marks from improper storage in those folders that used to be, and maybe still are, popular.

Ken

RotatedRainbows

Fairlaneman That is not a die crack it is a heavy die scratch, also the obverse of this piece is one of the coins used to make my icon.

nwcs

I think people would confuse slide marks and hairlines. And even those with a weak strike showing some of the original planchet surface. Only experience and seeing lots of coins can make that clear, I 'spose.

paigowjohnny

That's a drag...ANA grading guide allows for significant hairlines and still being graded at least MS 60 if no wear. Oh well...

Fairlaneman

Sorry. I should have known, it looks way to straight for a Die Break. Better look harder next time before the mouth is opened. Very Cool anyway.

Ken