Dishonest seller?

Draco

Hmm. . well, while checking out a few listings on ebay, I came apon this listing. While the title says MS 64, the coin just does't look it. However, giving him the benefit of the doubt, I sent an email requesting better detail on the obverse center and reverse center numeral (since these were the areas from his posted picture that looked questionable). His one line response was "Please do not bid. Thank you,Kappys" - Did I offend him? I think I'll go send a quick not to someone at Ebay and see if they care. . .

Heh

jbsteven

i wouldn't worry about it and just ignore the seller.

sinin1

By clicking the picture, you get a blow-up of the coin - nice picture.

I agree with you, it looks like AU-55 would be a closer grade.

I am not positive though if that makes the seller ?dishonest?

DCAMFranklin

That is Kappy'sCoins. Here is a related thread:

LINK

cacheman

Obviously an over-graded AU coin.....take his advice, don't bid on it.

prooflike

An obvious AU coin, this is why the knowledeable collector does not get ripped off.

airplanenut

He's not being dishonest- he's being helpful

mr1931S

Draco,at least you got an email response.Many times i've heard nothing back from sellers,even after more than one request for a better image,or short of that, an answer to a question about the coin that i might have before i can bid.

You have demonstrated to this seller by making your request for better,more close-up images that you are not among the target group of bidders this seller wants to sell to.i didn't see a stated return policy either.

offensive to ask for better images and/or questions?...hardly...kappy,if you're reading this,ask yourself this question:At a live coin show,would you refuse to take your three cent piece out of the display case for Draco's inspection?

airplanenut

He must realize that you know what you're doing, which is why a to-scale picture isn't good enough... he sees that you are evil

relayer

Here is another Kappy customer

Pushkin

I sent Kappy's a message on Saturday telling them that I could no longer do business with them. I returned a raw Indian Head cent the week before that was grossly overgraded. I am used to their "slight" overgrading in the past but I think they have gotten much worse. I bought a supposed roll of CH BU 1948 Lincoln cents - every coin was circulated junk - maybe a few MS-63 RDs (with luck), but 90% circulated, dinged and nicked, and in some cases soiled, JUNK! I am saddened by this. They used to be good people, despite their usual 1 or 2 grade overgrading - but it has just gotten worse and worse. I can no longer recommend them and will never buy from them again. Too much trouble and too much disappointment.

Suggest you don't waste your time with this eBay seller - do you want to return every coin you buy?

Just my 2 (actually 51) cents worth.

MacCoin

I buy coins off the net without a 3rd party grade its alway not as nice as I think it should be. thats why I like the shops and shows.

braddick

What is frusturating is all you are saying is right, yet his feedback is only 1/10 of 1 percent negative! You would think that would be much higher.

Barry

When he says "please do not bid," he means "I aim to sell to newbies who can't grade and will leave me positive feedback because they have no idea what they are getting." Take his good advice - don't bid.

DCAMFranklin

Here is another thread regarding Kappy's grading skills:

LINK

RGT

I have never dealt with Kappy's Coins, but I have seen a lot of their auctions on ebay. It didn't take looking at too many of their images for me to dub them "Crappy Coins". Now when I click on one of their auctions and see the dealer I just hit return without bothering to look at the picture.

merz2

Draco
I've looked at plenty of his auctions and have come to the conclusion,his coins are substandard.IMHO,he can't grade.

Bikingnut

No way that's MS64. I think you look at the rest of their items offered you will find that most of it is over graded. They do post nice pictures though so you can see exactly what you're getting.

Pushkin

<< <i>I've looked at plenty of his auctions and have come to the conclusion,his coins are substandard.IMHO,he can't grade. >>



Some examples of from my roll of CH BU 1948 Lincolns - purchased from Kappy's last week!

Outhaul

Dishonest? I wouldn't say that. His grading skills leave a lot to be desired, but if he were trying to deceive bidders he wouldn't post close-up pics. Like I've always said...Never, never, never buy raw AU or UNC coins on eBay. Just my honest, and very humble, opinion.

Cheers,

Bob

Pushkin

<< <i>Dishonest? I wouldn't say that. His grading skills leave a lot to be desired, but if he were trying to deceive bidders he wouldn't post close-up pics. >>



There were no pictures of the 1948 CH BU Lincoln shown above in my earlier post to this thread - just a picture of an "old roll".

Outhaul

Okay, Pushkin, I'll grant you that. He shouldn't have sold the roll as BU without ensuring it was. But I look at his auctions all the time. Sometimes he has some certified stuff worth buying. However, I've never seen his raw stuff live up to the grade. Which brings us to another question...

Overall profile makeup 8093 positives. 5399 are from unique users and count toward the final rating.

18 neutrals.

8 negatives. 8 are from unique users and count toward the final rating.


How can an intentionally dishonest person have this kind of FB rating? And I see a pretty even mix of newbies and old heads bidding on his auctions along with a lot of repeat customers. I have a lot of respect for you, Pushkin, and I'm not trying to get you to sic that big ole Maine Coon on me, just trying to help differentiate between a blatantly dishonest seller and someone who just plain sucks at grading

Like I said, I avoid ANYTHING raw being sold as AU or BU without seeing it in person.

Cheers,

Bob

Pushkin

I will give him credit for having a good return policy and for good communication. I would not put him in the same category as many of the snakes on eBay. I have bought some good (slightly undergraded) stuff from him in the past. I don't think he /they are evil - but, and its just me - I will never buy from them again. I didn't NEG him because of past good experiences, and I tend to NEG the snakes, and give the marginal sellers a break.

However, I think there is value in making the newbies aware of the risks involved with this seller. Sorry if I got a little hot under th collar.

Outhaul

Hey man...No problemo! Besides, this is WAY better than that "Men are pigs" thread...What the hell was THAT all about? We have some feminnazis on the forums?

Dog97

You didn't have any business requesting more detail on a 3¢ with a big fat greasy fingerprint right over the III. BACK button is best.

Bikingnut

And here's another example. Listed as BU, it's clearly AU with all that wear on George's hair.

42S


You can see exactly what you're bidding on.

Dog97

Earlier this evening I paid kappy a paypal for an auction I won last night and an hour later kappy left me + feedback. That was fast.
If they were dishonest I don't think he would leave himself open to a neg from me that he couldn't neg me back with.

leothelyon

I'm sorry if I have missed it but I don't see it. I've looked through all his terms several times and I can't find it. I see all the contact and shipping info. Is it included in the Gold power seller info? is his return policy something a buyer needs to beg for?


Leo

bigtonydallas

I have bought a few of his coins and the grades were generous but most dealers I have come across do this! The coin looks weakly struck to me as most of the early nickle coins are. It looks like it might have a few digits punched in the deticles. The color is common on a lot of nickels coins including Buffalo and Jefefrson nickels. I would grade it an MS62 with weak strike.